NXT 2.0 as a topper

[orionz06]

If i use a sealant how will NXT 2.0 effect the sealants life? does it still have some uber mild abrasiveness to it?

In particular, i have some Klasse SG to use and i want to give nxt 2.0 a shot as a topper as it has always been amazing

thanks in advance

[Ryan L.]

Re: NXT 2.0 as a topper

I have not used Klasse SG, so I can't comment on the longevity of that particular wax. But NXT 2.0 does have some mild cleaners in it, so no matter what sealant you use, it will "take" a thin layer of that sealant off. If you really want to use a sealant and then a topper, try a pure wax like HiTech Yellow Wax Liquid (#26) or Deep Crystal System Carnauba Wax.

Ryan

[mb911]

Re: NXT 2.0 as a topper

If i use a sealant how will NXT 2.0 effect the sealants life? does it still have some uber mild abrasiveness to it?

In particular, i have some Klasse SG to use and i want to give nxt 2.0 a shot as a topper as it has always been amazing

thanks in advance

You could try it. I believe they say ideally wait several hours after applying SG. SG is such a different kind of product, and I think your idea might be worth trying to see how you like it. Before I was a big Meguiar's fan, I used to use Klasse AIO, Klasse SG, and then P21S, and it was an impressive result.

Now I just use Klasse and SG on my wheels. It is pretty durable stuff.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: NXT 2.0 as a topper

Klasse SG is kind of like like Elmer's Glue and after it dries it will dissolve with water.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24707

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11071

My guess will be if you RUB any kind of liquid over a coating of this product it won't tend to "add" to the coating, it will tend to "take away" from the coating.

Just a guess... give it a try... see what happens...

Whenever you think about "topping" a product, first read this and understand the principal behind the recommendation so you don't spin your wheels for nothing....

Topping NXT aka "How to top one type of wax with a different type of wax

Keep in mind, the principals discussed in the above thread would apply to topping ANY product with ANY OTHER PRODUCT.

Make sense?

[orionz06]

Re: NXT 2.0 as a topper

Klasse SG is kind of like like Elmer's Glue and after it dries it will dissolve with water.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24707

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11071

My guess will be if you RUB any kind of liquid over a coating of this product it won't tend to "add" to the coating, it will tend to "take away" from the coating.

Just a guess... give it a try... see what happens...

Whenever you think about "topping" a product, first read this and understand the principal behind the recommendation so you don't spin your wheels for nothing....

Topping NXT aka "How to top one type of wax with a different type of wax

Keep in mind, the principals discussed in the above thread would apply to topping ANY product with ANY OTHER PRODUCT.

Make sense?

interesting... while i havent done anything scientific, i do know that the Klasse sealer topped with a carnuba or any other wax does last longer, and the topper does add to the depth, such as #21 topped with yellow wax or nxt...


i guess i cant consider NXT as a sealant as easily... This will be my first time with 2.0, and i have a few cars i will be maintaining for family and myself, so maybe i can get enough flat panels to see what each product does...


as of last night, i have a hood with the following:

base is 3 coats of klasse sealer and 2 coats of wax per hood third...

i have nxt (original) on part, insulators wax on another, and pinnacle liquid souveran with polycharger on the last...


initial thoughts are that the klasse beads well, but lacks depth and pop that the car deserves...

the nxt adds great depth and pop, the insulators wax does add to the klasse, but as expected isnt as dazzling... the pinnacle appears to be the better looking of the three, slightly edging out the meguiars nxt original for depth...

the unfortunate truth is that i cannot capture the sublte difference with my camera (rebel xti with an aweseme canon lense) because it is just that little...

without having seen nxt 2.0 i think in this instance that the 2.0 might tie the pinnacle based on what i have read (everywhere, not just here)...





but back to my originakl concern, what is the limit of the nxt 2.0 cleaning capabilities? will it remove layers of #21?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: NXT 2.0 as a topper

but back to my originakl concern, what is the limit of the nxt 2.0 cleaning capabilities? will it remove layers of #21?

NXT is not a cleaner/wax but Meguiar's doesn't teach "layering" and to date, no one on any forum has ever proved that adding more and more applications of a wax or paint sealant will create a thicker and thicker, measurable layer of wax.

More than likely, if you apply NXT over M21 since they're similar products except M21 can be used with heat, you'll leave behind a uniform layer, not a thicker and thicker layer.

If you rub and scrub any liquid over a previously applied micron thin layer of anything then your rubbing action alone can disrupt the micron thin layer of whatever it is you previously applied.

Seems everyone forgets that waxes and paint sealants are sacrificial barrier coatings, that is they are supposed to sacrifice themselves, (give themselves up), so your paint doesn't have to.

Because the wear and tear of a daily driver tends to wear off a coating of wax or paint sealant, you and I are supposed to maintain the finish, that means apply more of our favorite product before it's completely worn off so our paint remains protected. It's called PM or Preventative Maintenance.

The idea that you can keep adding a product and create a thicker and thicker layer for more and more protection is a great idea, but that's not how paint works.

If you do find a product that will create a thicker and thicker layer on the car, then unless the product is as clear as water, it will tend to cloud and hide the true color and clarity of the original paint.

That is, you can't apply something that's not 100% optically clear in the bottle onto paint and build up a thickness of this product without at the same time hiding what's underneath of it.

Don't know if this helps... I can't count how many times I've addressed this topic of cleaners in NXT and/or M21

Everyone wants a product they can layer but layering is an idea, not a reality, at least no one on any forum has ever proved it, just talked about it.

Most online enthusiasts are more about creating a show car finish and because they 'do something' to their paint often, (because they're serious enthusiasts), they're applying their product of choice often enough that the paint is never without protection.

Even so, I've never seen a micron thin layer of any kind of wax or paint protection prevent a bird dropping from etching paint if the dropping is left on the paint for any amount of time.

Thus there are limits to what any wax or paint sealants can do when ti comes to protecting the paint no matter how many times you apply something, it's just the uric acid in the bird dropping is more destructive than what any thin layer of any wax or paint sealant can stop from reaching the actual paint.

[ment]

Re: NXT 2.0 as a topper

NXT is not a cleaner/wax but Meguiar's doesn't teach "layering" and to date, no one on any forum has ever proved that adding more and more applications of a wax or paint sealant will create a thicker and thicker, measurable layer of wax.

More than likely, if you apply NXT over M21 since they're similar products except M21 can be used with heat, you'll leave behind a uniform layer, not a thicker and thicker layer.

If you rub and scrub any liquid over a previously applied micron thin layer of anything then your rubbing action alone can disrupt the micron thin layer of whatever it is you previously applied.

Seems everyone forgets that waxes and paint sealants are sacrificial barrier coatings, that is they are supposed to sacrifice themselves, (give themselves up), so your paint doesn't have to.

Because the wear and tear of a daily driver tends to wear off a coating of wax or paint sealant, you and I are supposed to maintain the finish, that means apply more of our favorite product before it's completely worn off so our paint remains protected. It's called PM or Preventative Maintenance.

The idea that you can keep adding a product and create a thicker and thicker layer for more and more protection is a great idea, but that's not how paint works.

If you do find a product that will create a thicker and thicker layer on the car, then unless the product is as clear as water, it will tend to cloud and hide the true color and clarity of the original paint.

That is, you can't apply something that's not 100% optically clear in the bottle onto paint and build up a thickness of this product without at the same time hiding what's underneath of it.

Don't know if this helps... I can't count how many times I've addressed this topic of cleaners in NXT and/or M21

Everyone wants a product they can layer but layering is an idea, not a reality, at least no one on any forum has ever proved it, just talked about it.

Most online enthusiasts are more about creating a show car finish and because they 'do something' to their paint often, (because they're serious enthusiasts), they're applying their product of choice often enough that the paint is never without protection.

Even so, I've never seen a micron thin layer of any kind of wax or paint protection prevent a bird dropping from etching paint if the dropping is left on the paint for any amount of time.

Thus there are limits to what any wax or paint sealants can do when ti comes to protecting the paint no matter how many times you apply something, it's just the uric acid in the bird dropping is more destructive than what any thin layer of any wax or paint sealant can stop from reaching the actual paint.

Hahaha . . . So true. My car's finish are partly marred by those damn birdpoop!

What's great about meguiars gold class and nxt2.0 liquid wax is that in one pass (meaning one layer) it already gives the desired result. Layering just doesnt improve the protection, nor the shine. In my opinion.

So you get to do more important stuff that day and not just tiring yourself all day with waxing. Like interior cleaning. Or watching espn and grab a beer or two

Thank goodness meguiars product is working for me

[allnitro]

Re: NXT 2.0 as a topper

If you rub and scrub any liquid over a previously applied micron thin layer of anything then your rubbing action alone can disrupt the micron thin layer of whatever it is you previously applied.

Seems everyone forgets that waxes and paint sealants are sacrificial barrier coatings, that is they are supposed to sacrifice themselves, (give themselves up), so your paint doesn't have to.

I'm curious about these statements. Does this mean that applying a detailing spray will remove the previously applied wax or sealant? That would mean that the spray is itself becoming the protectant layer.

I'd be disappointed if that's the case.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: NXT 2.0 as a topper

I'm curious about these statements. Does this mean that applying a detailing spray will remove the previously applied wax or sealant?

How hard are you rubbing?

What kind of application material are you using? A clean soft microfiber polishing cloth or an Scotchbrite pad? Besides all of the above, you have a choice to use 'something' or use 'nothing'. Unless you can find a product that you can apply and wipe off without ever touching the surface? Painter's do this when they spray paint on the car but after the paint is dried they're back to sanding, compounding, polishing etc., or back to touching the paint.


This is one of those threads where it's just getting so microscopic or AR into the details that taken to the extreme no one would ever touch their car's paint.



Find a product you like and use it as often as you want your car's paint too look good.

It's not that complicated...

[orionz06]

Re: NXT 2.0 as a topper

NXT is not a cleaner/wax but Meguiar's doesn't teach "layering" and to date, no one on any forum has ever proved that adding more and more applications of a wax or paint sealant will create a thicker and thicker, measurable layer of wax.

More than likely, if you apply NXT over M21 since they're similar products except M21 can be used with heat, you'll leave behind a uniform layer, not a thicker and thicker layer.

If you rub and scrub any liquid over a previously applied micron thin layer of anything then your rubbing action alone can disrupt the micron thin layer of whatever it is you previously applied.

Seems everyone forgets that waxes and paint sealants are sacrificial barrier coatings, that is they are supposed to sacrifice themselves, (give themselves up), so your paint doesn't have to.

Because the wear and tear of a daily driver tends to wear off a coating of wax or paint sealant, you and I are supposed to maintain the finish, that means apply more of our favorite product before it's completely worn off so our paint remains protected. It's called PM or Preventative Maintenance.

The idea that you can keep adding a product and create a thicker and thicker layer for more and more protection is a great idea, but that's not how paint works.

If you do find a product that will create a thicker and thicker layer on the car, then unless the product is as clear as water, it will tend to cloud and hide the true color and clarity of the original paint.

That is, you can't apply something that's not 100% optically clear in the bottle onto paint and build up a thickness of this product without at the same time hiding what's underneath of it.

Don't know if this helps... I can't count how many times I've addressed this topic of cleaners in NXT and/or M21

Everyone wants a product they can layer but layering is an idea, not a reality, at least no one on any forum has ever proved it, just talked about it.

Most online enthusiasts are more about creating a show car finish and because they 'do something' to their paint often, (because they're serious enthusiasts), they're applying their product of choice often enough that the paint is never without protection.

Even so, I've never seen a micron thin layer of any kind of wax or paint protection prevent a bird dropping from etching paint if the dropping is left on the paint for any amount of time.

Thus there are limits to what any wax or paint sealants can do when ti comes to protecting the paint no matter how many times you apply something, it's just the uric acid in the bird dropping is more destructive than what any thin layer of any wax or paint sealant can stop from reaching the actual paint.

haha, well i can make the statement that i was able to rinse dried bird poo off of my gf's car the other day with a foam gun soak and a quick rinse (thanks to many great products), and i do feel more comfortable with a few passes (2) but do like the idea of layering... i have seen results before and seen more durability, but the layer thickness is unknown...


and you are right, if i get a guarenteed year life outta one coat, i will clay and redo in 2 months anyway....

[HemiMopar]

Re: NXT 2.0 as a topper

Seems everyone forgets that waxes and paint sealants are sacrificial barrier coatings, that is they are supposed to sacrifice themselves, (give themselves up), so your paint doesn't have to.

Because the wear and tear of a daily driver tends to wear off a coating of wax or paint sealant, you and I are supposed to maintain the finish, that means apply more of our favorite product before it's completely worn off so our paint remains protected. It's called PM or Preventative Maintenance.

I have never heard it put in just those words but you are absolute true.

I can tell a major difference if I re-wax in a month or three months. One thing I can't tell is a difference if I apply multiple coats compared to one coat and re-wax in a month or three months. The one month on both occassions will apply smoothly, usually still have a slick clean feel, and remove a lot easier compared the the three month application.

[Rip]

Re: NXT 2.0 as a topper

I use 2 coats of NXT-2 applied 1 day apart then on the third day I applied
Meguiars #26 and what a shine and bead job !! I follow-up once a week with
the ULTIMATE Detailer Very happy with the results