Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

[Jefferson_One]

I was wondering how the consumer Deep Crystal Polish would semi-equate to the professional M8 line? The Deep Crystal Polish is supposed to remove fine, hairline scratches ... is this more like the M82 polish? Is SratchX comparable to the M8x line?

The M82 is less aggressive than the M80, correct (looking at the scale on the bottle)? Just trying to use these up then get the M8 line.

I was going to do ScratchX, Deep Crystal Polish, then NXT wax.

Penny for your thoughts?

[Duff]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

I don't have any experience with the Deep Crystal but after a search ( mind you way back when ) i found this for you.

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19472&highlight=dc+polish+vs+m80

[G Force]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

I am a frequent user of Deep Crystal polish I'm not sure it has abrasives or perhaps very little ,it makes dark colors darker and reflections deeper I follow by GC liquid wax,guess that NXT 2 will be better.

[rebelde33]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

Deep Crystal Polish is a pure polish so it doesn't do much to remove scratches. I do the same procedure as you: ScratchX, DC2, and NXT and the results are great.

[Jefferson_One]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

Thanks for the replies ... thanks for the excellent link, Duff!

NOTE: this is intended for use with a Dual-Action (DA) polisher such as the G110.

Well, from what I can tell here on the Forums, we have two sets of detailers: Consumers/Enthusiasts and Professionals/Enthusiasts. Most of the chatter I come across is geared towards the Professional Series of products so I made a list of both lines, based on what I've read, in the steps I would do them:

CONSUMER LINE:

1. Wash with Gold Class Shampoo & Conditioner
2. If needed, use Smooth Surface Clay Kit
3. If needed, use ScratchX with W-8006 Polishing pad to remove swirls
4. Use Deep Crystal Pure Polish with W-8006 Polishing pad [speed 5]
5. Finish with NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0 with W-9006 Finishing pad [speed 3]

PROFESSIONAL LINE:

1. Wash with M00 Hi-Tech Wash
2. If needed, use C2000 Mild Detailing Clay
3. Use M80 Speed Glaze with W-8006 Polishing pad [speed 5]
   1. Less, use M82 Swirl Free Polish with W-8006 Polishing pad [speed 5]
4. Finish with M26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax with W-9006 Finishing pad

The cost difference was approximately $5 more for the Professional Line and one might could substitute the wash & clay for Consumer Line. Another plus of consumer line, is that all but the pads, are available off-the-shelf at most local stores. I have seen Auto-Zone with M7 and M26 on the shelves from the Professional Line.

I've not used the Professional Line of products, but the Consumer Line gives great results on my black Mercedes-Benz E320 ... it has pretty good paint, with some nicks though - shines up good.

On one hand, I'd think that the NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0 would be more advanced than the M26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax, but I've used (and loved) carnauba wax over the past years.

I think overall, one would get marginally better results from the Professional Line, and for those who make a living doing this, one can buy in bulk with that product line.

I've dropped about $400 between Auto-Zone & Auto Detaining Solution's website, so I've got to use up these before getting into the Pro line. Like anything else (computers, guitar pedals, cars) most of us are always wanting to 'tweak' so I'll eventually move to the Pro line as well, I'm sure.

If I am off base with the order of things above, please let me know! Thanks again for all the tips

[Murr1525]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

One thing you might want to keep in mind, both Consumer and Pro-line products can be used by any detailer. Plenty of pros still keep Consumer Line products around, and vice versa. Just have to fit the products to your needs.

For instance, you can use a DA as much as possible, but the undersides of wings, or deep crevices, etc might need ScratchX by hand.

But here is a bit of advice for your processes:
Consumer:
1 . Wash - Good, certainly one of the best washes.
2. Clay - Good
3. Clean - Yeah, you could use the new ScratchX. But I just have a feeling without doing the math that some #80 would be a better overall option. Plus you wouldnt need the pure polish after.
4. Polish - DC#2 is good, though you would be better with a 9006 pad. Though if using #80, this would be more optional, except on dark colors where it could be a bigger difference.
5. Wax - Sure, any wax you like.

Pro:
1. Wash - I dont think anyone uses this wash to wash cars, its just very expensive. #00 is mostly for wet sanding. #62, Hyperwash, Shampoo Plus, or Super Soap tend to be the Pro ones people use. But then a lot of the pro's still use Gold Class.
2. Clay - Sure, remember you'd have to buy a lubricant as well.
3. Clean - Sure. #83 as well for one step stonger.
4. Polish - Still optional for dark colors. #7 is probably the best pure polish there is.
5. Wax - Sure, any wax you like.

But if just doing your own cars, you likely will just find a mix like me, including the other exterior products, glass, interiors, etc. I have products from all the lines expect Marine, and they all have a place.

[Jefferson_One]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

Thanks for the advice, Murr ... here is what I am mostly likely to do:

1.) Wash using Gold Class Shampoo & Conditioner
2.) Clean using M80 Speed Glaze with W-8006 Polishing pad
3.) Polish using M7 Show Car Glaze with W-9006 Finishing pad
4.) Finish with M26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax with W-9006 Finishing pad

... is this kind of along the right path? I have three questions though: my black paint isn't too bad - M80 should be okay (I have some on the way)? You said M7 was "... probably the best pure polish around" - I wasn't aware the the Professional Line had a 'pure' polish. So, M7 is similar to the Consumer Pure Polish - but better?

M80 > M7 > M26 ... with this combination, would I need to do these three every time, or do M7 + M26 most of the time?

[Edit] I also read that M7 was really designed for single stage paint - is it okay with clear-coat and for use with DA?

Thanks! Very informative, as usual!

[Erik Mejia]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

The combination you listed above will definately exceed you expectations, just don't forget the clay.

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

Thanks for the advice, Murr ... here is what I am mostly likely to do:

1.) Wash using Gold Class Shampoo & Conditioner
2.) Clean using M80 Speed Glaze with W-8006 Polishing pad
3.) Polish using M7 Show Car Glaze with W-9006 Finishing pad
4.) Finish with M26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax with W-9006 Finishing pad

... is this kind of along the right path? I have three questions though: my black paint isn't too bad - M80 should be okay (I have some on the way)? You said M7 was "... probably the best pure polish around" - I wasn't aware the the Professional Line had a 'pure' polish. So, M7 is similar to the Consumer Pure Polish - but better?

M80 > M7 > M26 ... with this combination, would I need to do these three every time, or do M7 + M26 most of the time?

[Edit] I also read that M7 was really designed for single stage paint - is it okay with clear-coat and for use with DA?

Thanks! Very informative, as usual!

Meguiar's has several pure polishes, each depending on the application. The Pure polishes in the Professional Line are: M03, M05, M07 and M81.

M03 Machine Glaze is used by people wanting to apply the pure polish with a high speed rotary polisher, though it works very well by hand as well.

M05 New Car Glaze is used when humidity is a factor. It allows easier removal as it dries somewhat unlike the other pure polishes that do not dry but rather skim over.

M07 Show Car Glaze...the richest of pure polishes Meguiar's has to offer. Was designed for SS paints but work very well on BC/CC paints as well.

M81 Hand Polish...designed as part of the #80's family with BC/CC in mind. Works very well and is easier to remove than M07.

Yes...you can use M07 with a DA though applying and removing it by hand may be easier. If you plan on applying it with a DA, I would use #81 or #3. Both contain a lot of the TS Oils and will apply easier with the DA. Keep the speed down to around 3 and use a two pass mf towel system for removal. Ie. Do a light removal with one MF towel, and then do a follow up with a clean MF towel.

I hope this helps!

Tim

[Jefferson_One]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

Thanks, Tim ... I had heard that M7 was a bit more challenging to remove - after my recent auto accident, I'm not too interested in hand-polish/wax again (whew!). I did do it on this Mercedes recently and it almost put me down for the count. Now I'm looking for the DA to make things a little easier on me.

The M3 looks pretty promising - so, maybe Wash > Clay > M80 > M3 > M26

How does the M26 wax compare to the new NXT Tech 2.0? One I get some of these combinations in, I'll be able to sort out my system better - but nothing can replace the advise you get here!

[Wolf-Strong]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

Thanks, Tim ... I had heard that M7 was a bit more challenging to remove - after my recent auto accident, I'm not too interested in hand-polish/wax again (whew!). I did do it on this Mercedes recently and it almost put me down for the count. Now I'm looking for the DA to make things a little easier on me.

The M3 looks pretty promising - so, maybe Wash > Clay > M80 > M3 > M26

How does the M26 wax compare to the new NXT Tech 2.0? One I get some of these combinations in, I'll be able to sort out my system better - but nothing can replace the advise you get here!

I would HIGHLY recommend you get some NXT 2.0. M26 is a fantastic wax, but it is best when used on a surface that is really well prepared. NXT will show the biggest improvement on a surface that isn't completely perfect as it will fill in minor swirls. Both are fantastic waxes though by being REALLY easy to apply and remove. You can't go wrong with either

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

Thanks, Tim ... I had heard that M7 was a bit more challenging to remove - after my recent auto accident, I'm not too interested in hand-polish/wax again (whew!). I did do it on this Mercedes recently and it almost put me down for the count. Now I'm looking for the DA to make things a little easier on me.

The M3 looks pretty promising - so, maybe Wash > Clay > M80 > M3 > M26

How does the M26 wax compare to the new NXT Tech 2.0? One I get some of these combinations in, I'll be able to sort out my system better - but nothing can replace the advise you get here!

I would suggest using Meguiar's new NXT 2.0 as it will leave an extremely reflective and rich looking paint surface. Apply 2 coats for uniform coverage, and then top with Ultimate Quik Detailer about 12 hours later.

Tim

[Jefferson_One]

Re: Deep Crystal Polish & M8x Line

I would HIGHLY recommend you get some NXT 2.0. M26 is a fantastic wax, but it is best when used on a surface that is really well prepared. NXT will show the biggest improvement on a surface that isn't completely perfect as it will fill in minor swirls. Both are fantastic waxes though by being REALLY easy to apply and remove. You can't go wrong with either

I have both, the NXT Tech 2.0 consumer wax and M26 professional wax, as well as the new Ultimate Quick Detailer. I've used the NXT but have yet to try the M26 ... after claying again and prepping, I was thinking of alternating the M26 & NXT on waxings. I'm pretty please with the NXT - can't wait to see the M26