Recommend a Synthetic Sealant?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Recommend a Synthetic Sealant?

Mike-in-Orange brought up a good point, the NXT 2.0 is applied by hand, where as #21 requires a buffer. Pretty sure I'll go with the NXT Generation Tech Wax 2.0 Paste.

Actually,

All Meguiar's waxes can be applied by hand, Traditional Orbital Buffer, (the big usually cheap ones for around $30.00), or DA Polishers like our G110

SOME of our waxes are also formulated for application with a rotary buffer where heat and pressure are involved but that doesn't mean they HAVE to be applied that way, it's just a "feature" of the product for the Professional Detailing Industry, not really enthusiasts.

Applying waxes with a rotary buffer tends to leave paint looking swirly, we don't recommend it but we understand people in the industry are going to use a wax like this so we have to build that feature into the product.

For yourself, applying by hand or with a DA polisher is the best way to go.

[catchit]

Re: Recommend a Synthetic Sealant?

Catchit,
you can apply 21 by hand, DA or rotary, where as NXT is hand or DA only.

What is DA? Also, can you provide the URL to the #21 you speak of?

You're making it hard for me to choose between NXT and #21. lol

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Recommend a Synthetic Sealant?

What is DA? Also, can you provide the URL to the #21 you speak of?

You're making it hard for me to choose between NXT and #21. lol

Here's our new G110 DA Polisher, it has more power than the PC and the UDM





Here's the PC short for Porter Cable Dual Action Polisher




The primary difference between M21 and NXT Tech Wax is the M21 CAN be applied using a rotary buffer but doesn't have to be applied with a rotary buffer. Besides that you can also get M21 in a 64 ounce jug.

Remember, Meguiar's is a supplies to both the Professional side of this industry and the Enthusiast side of this industry, our M21 is key word here,

Distributed via our Professional distribution channels and our Consumer Line is distributed through our Consumer products distribution channels, this means these two categories of product end up in different types of stores, one type is called PBE store or Paint Body and Equipment, the other is a Hard Parts store, you can think of Pep Boys, Autozone, Kragen, etc.

Different markets mean different distribution.

NXT is what I use on all my cars and all my customer's cars, like these two...

Nate Truman's 1966 Batmobile Recreation



Dane Sloan's Joker Truck



NXT is going to be easier to find as there are more "Hard Parts" stores around, if you want to buy M21 you can look for a PBE store in your home town.

How to locate Meguiar's Professional and Detailer products in your hometown

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Recommend a Synthetic Sealant?

Links

M21

http://www.meguiars.com/?pro-liquid-car-waxes/Synthetic-Sealant

NXT

http://www.meguiars.com/?liquid-car-waxes/NXT-Generation-Tech-Wax

These products are BRAND NEW

This means they might not be on store shelves yet as it takes a while to go from the manufacturing plat to a warehouse, the the warehouse ships to a store AFTER an order is placed and then at some time a store clerk places the new products on the shelf as the old version is pulled through.

Most people that want the 2.0 version of either of these waxes will order them online. The Internet ecommerce world is always faster than the retail world in the real world.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Recommend a Synthetic Sealant?

I haven't bought anything yet, just doing research before doing so.

Most of us are like this too, do some research first. From your questions about the other product I guessed you have been reading other forums, thus my question.

I'm the type that likes best of the best.

Keep reading those other forums and ours then when it comes time to leave your keyboard and actually go out into the garage and work on your car, see which forum gave you the best "how to" information for actually getting the results you're looking for.

If you haven't already, read through both of these forums, just about every question you're going to have can be found in them.

Have Questions? Looking for Answers?
So much good, practical and helpful information in these two forums
Hot Topics
How To Articles

[catchit]

Re: Recommend a Synthetic Sealant?

Mike. Thought you might be interested in this 3 coats of Zaino thread. I'm a frequent user of that forum, so let me know if you comment.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113351

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Recommend a Synthetic Sealant?

Mike. Thought you might be interested in this 3 coats of Zaino thread. I'm a frequent user of that forum, so let me know if you comment.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113351

Looks good. Most waxes look good on paint if the paint is properly prepared.

Most waxes look good on a brand new car and they should because the paint on a brand new car, especially a brand new BMW should look GREAT because it's a brand new car.

So while the BMW in that post looks great it probably looked pretty good to start with. Problem is, no one reading threads like the one you linked to ever thinks about this, they just look at the shiny paint and then buy the product. Nothing wrong with that and Zaino is a good LSP, the point is a brand new car should look good to start with and if you wash a brand new car and apply a quality LSP it's going to look good and hopefully even great... because it's brand new.


As for multiple layers of ANY product, if you do your prep work right, then one or two coats of any product will finish it off and take your prep work results to their highest level, this assumes your choice of LSP is a quality LSP.

A long time ago we wrote an reply about "Layering" in the thread below, that was in 2005, now 3 years later no one has ever challenged or refuted the statements we made.

We'll include the link to the thread and then copy and paste the pertinent portion that applies here and we wonder if anyone has ever read anything like this on any other forum that wasn't a re-wording of what we wrote.

Here you go... key word here being...

plateau


What's the deal with "Layering?"

Generally speaking, when trying to take your car's finish to its maximum potential for clarity, gloss, shine and depth of color, there comes a point, or a plateau, that you will reach whereupon additional applications of either polish or wax will not increase the results of any of those categories. Of course, you are more apt to reach this plateau if your skill level is high and if the quality of your products is also very high.

These assumptions also assume that the surface in question is on

• A brand new car
• A car with a brand new paint job
• An older car whose finish has been well maintained and is in excellent condition
• An older car whose finish has been professional restored to excellent condition

If any of the above holds true, then you will most certainly hit the wall, so to speak, reaching that plateau of perfection whereby further applications will not improve the results of the previously applied coating. Your finish will have reached its maximum potential in appearance value.

After time goes by and this plateau you have previously reached begins to diminish, you can restore the paint to it's maximum potential again, quickly and easily by simply applying a new coat of the right wax or polish. This maintenance procedure will only act to restore the finish back to it's maximum potential and shouldn't be positioned, or confused with making your surface deeper, darker, shinier, etc. than it's maximum potential.

Once you hit 100% max potential, (or that plateau), it's time to stand back and admire the results, not continue to apply more and more coats.

Special Note: Ideas suggesting that repeated applications of a product will continue to increase optic clarity and gloss and protection are misleading you and your own common sense should enable you to understand that a finish, whether black, red, single-stage, clear coat, etc. has a limit to how perfect it can become.

100% of 100 is 100

The mindset preached on other forums is that more and more layers will mean more and more thickness of coating which will also equate to better and better looking paint and greater and greater protection, we don't believe it and no one has ever proved it.

When you reach the plateau for your cars finish, in other words when you've done your best prep work, (if any), and then applied one, two maybe up to 3 coats of your choice of LSP, you will have taken your car's paint to its Maximum Potential or hit a Plateau.

At this point, more and more coats of any LSP is not going to keep taking the results to higher and higher levels.

Does that make sense?

At least no one from ANY other forum, no Guru, no manufacture... has ever disputed that and then posted a process and a product that when the process is followed and the product is used that you can create a thicker and thicker layer of protection that can be measured, and at the same time won't dull the paint and in fact according to forumlore, should with each application make the paint look better and better without end.

Keep in mind, most paint protection products on the market are not clear, so how can they make paint more and more clear with more and more applications, i.e. the "Layering Theory"

So when you read posts by forum personalities claiming you can create a thicker film-build or layer of protection by applying more and more layers of any product, as them to prove it.

Hope this helps at some level?



p.s.

Think we'll write a new article on Hitting the Wall, or in other words reaching a Plateau or the Maximum Potential of any car's paint.