NXT Cleaners - Are they abrassive?

[Phinox]

i have used alot of your products. I can say with out a doubt NXT is Crud. Having used it on 4 differnt cars and it is the same with all of them streaks streaks and more streaks. Even after the second coat and tring the NXT tech booster wax they still remain so i had to start over on the vehicle with the deep crystal cleaner
then followed with step 2 and 3.

[rjstaaf]

Originally posted by Phinox
i have used alot of your products. I can say with out a doubt NXT is Crud. Having used it on 4 differnt cars and it is the same with all of them streaks streaks and more streaks. Even after the second coat and tring the NXT tech booster wax they still remain so i had to start over on the vehicle with the deep crystal cleaner
then followed with step 2 and 3.

With any product streaks generally mean you used too much product and/or didn't wait long enough to let it haze before you wiped it off. Streaks are an indicator of product that is still wet, putting on more is just going to make it worse.

[Phinox]

i used a orbital buffer to apply and remove the product (btw this is the only product i have ever had streaking with) and i gave it a good half hour dry time before removing it to give the polymers time to set up. i will just stick with the three step system

[Mike Phillips]

Hi Phinox,

Welcome to Meguiar's Online! .

First, I edited you post and replaced the word Cr__ with the word Crud. I hope you don't mind but we try to keep this forum family friendly.

Second of all, I think it would be better if you posted this in,

Customer Service Hot Line - If you want to make a complaint.

Or,

Detailing 101 - If you would like help from either myself or another forum member is sorting out why you're not getting good results?


You can also take advantage of the Meguiar's Money Back Guarantee, which is printed on the back of the box and the bottle.

This thread is more about the cleaners in NXT, so while we appreciate your taking the time to chime in, you post would be better if posted into the correct forum.

Thanks,

Mike

[rjstaaf]

Originally posted by Phinox
i used a orbital buffer to apply and remove the product (btw this is the only product i have ever had streaking with) and i gave it a good half hour dry time before removing it to give the polymers time to set up. i will just stick with the three step system

That is up to you. I am just saying, if you have a chance give it another try. I would apply it by hand and use it sparingly. It is far better to apply two very thin layers than one heavy one. Orbital polishers tend to cause you to use too much product as the pad tends to load up.

[rjstaaf]

Re: Re: Zaino

Originally posted by DSG Man

I am not sticking up for Zaino here, and would certainly consider trying the NXT Tech Wax. I agree that a new car should look good no matter what, even after applying peanut butter. I guess I am just a little concerned because when I completed Meguires' on-line questionnaire for their recommended protection of my car (which is garaged constantly, never left out in the rain except once, hasn't been driven in or had snow on it since I bought it) Meguires recommended waxing my car 9 to 12 times a year. That seems like a lot of work, considering how I go to great lengths to avoid getting the car dirty in the first place. What they recommended basically was that the car needed to be rewaxed after every 4 to 6 car washes. I know I have the option of doing it less often, but their recommendation seems a little excessive.

Hmmm lets see if I can retype this from memory

If you are talking about the Rx prescription I think the environment you live in is given far more emphasis than how many miles you said you drive the car. They are taking into account what the finish could possibly be exposed to.

As to durability keep in mind that Z6 is not just a quick detailer, it is also a booster. Each time you apply Z6 you are applying fresh Zaino. For that matter Z7 also contains some of the same ingredients so every time you wash with it you are also adding additional protection. If you want to truly test the durability of Zaino you have to skip Z6 and Z7 in your test. If you are using Z6 or Z7 it is a little misleading to say that you are getting 8 months of durability out of Zaino.

If I were to use NXT Spray Wax frequently I could probably also get 8 months out of NXT Tech Wax on my daily driver. Without the spray wax I am seeing about 2 months with NXT Tech Wax before I feel the need to reapply.

Don't take this as a bash on Zaino as that is not what I intended. I have Zaino and still use it from time to time. It just so happens I prefer the deep wet gloss I get from carnauba. Nothing wrong with Zaino, just doesn't have the look I am after.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by DSG Man
Please forget I posted anything. Mike, sorry for the trouble.

Hi DSG Man,

Your post is no trouble and in fact I appreciate your input. I know a lot of times it may appear that I'm either not reading peoples posts, or not responding to them for whatever the reason.

Today, because of a some database software problems, and also some hardware problems, I had to redo a lot of work that was lost so that I can move on to another project. (Behind the scenes, I have other projects I work on).

As it stands right now, I need to upload, (again), pictures from the below two posts I made previously,

Overspray Removal - 56k Dial-up Warning!

and

1969 Mustang - Single Stage Green Paint - Extreme Makeover

You see, because of some software and hardware issues Meguiar's is suffering through temporarily, the PhotoPost archive is not being backed-up as often as we need it to be, and thus when the disk drive crashed again over the weekend, I lost about 56 pictures.

Now I get e-mails from people saying,

"I went to this thread and all I see are red x's"

So I'm all for a healthy discussion on just about any topic, but sometimes certain priorities take precedence. That plus some of my posts take my a while to think out and type up. Because of some of the issues and some of the players on the forum, I find I have to choose my words very carefully so that the enemy cannot take advantage. The way I describe my writing style is, "I write to defend", that is I do my best to only write information I can defend. Sometimes that takes a little thinking.

Mike

[bchivers]

DSG Man. I was thinking of getting a leaf blower as well (electric), how is it. What strength or power would you recommend?

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by DSG Man
Not bad for a 9 month old polish job.

Your right, the finish on your car looks great. As do many cars that have a great looking finish to start with. That was one of my point in my lengthy post.

The biggest difference between Meguiar's NXT, That I see with my two eyes, on multiple paint types when compared to the Zaino Z2 or Z3 with the ZFX is that the NXT Tech Wax adds more richness to the paint, this means it makes the paint for clear and brings out the fullness of the color. It also helps to eliminate the very fine scratches and swirls that usually only show up in bright artificial light, or bright sunlight.

This ability to make these fine swirls disappear plus the fact that it adds dramatic richness to any color and any paint type, in my opinion gives the Tech Wax the edge over most/all of the other waxes I have compared it to.

At the same time, I always say, "Find something you like and use it often

Mike

[Mike Phillips]

I received and e-mail from the gentleman that owns this car, today and I don't think he'll mind if I share what he wrote to me,

BTW, NXT has a deeper shine and brings out the red better than Zaino. PERIOD. I can say that now, having spent a few months using both side by side.

This is from a person that started out with nothing but Zaino on his Corvette and at the time he brought it to Meguiar's he had 15 Layers of the Z2 with the ZFX.

Here's part of the story of his experience,

North County Corvette Club Detail Day at Meguiar's

The behind the scenes story was how even with multiple layers of the Zaino product on his Corvette's finish, after some mud puddle water was splashed onto it, the water drops ate past the multiple layers, and into the clear coat.

Somewhere, I thought I had a Write-up on this story too?

Here's some before pictures though,







I don't know if any wax would have protected against whatever was in the mud puddle water, but the claims that the ability to bead water equals protection isn't always true.

Mike

[DSG Man]

Mike,

By 'eliminate minor scratches and swirls' do you mean they are removed or just filled in by the product? Incidentally, my car only has two coats of polish applied last November. That's it. But I have applied Zaino's detail spray about 5 or 6 times since then.

If I wanted to try NXT on a surface of the car for a side by side comparison, or to redo the entire car what do I need to do to prep it? Do I need to remove the Zaino? Will Dawn detergent do it? Do I need to re-clay the panel? Appreciate any tips.

Incidentally, I see that Meguires is selling a couple different types of car wash soap. One is some type of sudsy fun soap and the other with the anti-static qualities. Why? Is that just a marketing gimmick?

Thank you.

Bob

PS. Regarding my using a leaf blower. The one I use is rated at 150 MPH. Actually I wish it was a little more powerful, perhaps 180 to 200. Some of the larger shop vacs are capable of these speeds, but you can buy a leafblower relatively cheap and its a little easier to maneuver. Using the blower definitely reduces the number of those fine scratches you get. Like I said, I haven't had to use towel for months except for some dripping. But I have to say that if your car doesn't have a smooth, clean finish, the blower doesn't work as well at getting all the water off. On a clean finish it just flies right off the paint. Good luck.

[rjstaaf]

Originally posted by DSG Man
Mike,

By 'eliminate minor scratches and swirls' do you mean they are removed or just filled in by the product? Incidentally, my car only has two coats of polish applied last November. That's it. But I have applied Zaino's detail spray about 5 or 6 times since then.

If I wanted to try NXT on a surface of the car for a side by side comparison, or to redo the entire car what do I need to do to prep it? Do I need to remove the Zaino? Will Dawn detergent do it? Do I need to re-clay the panel? Appreciate any tips.

Incidentally, I see that Meguires is selling a couple different types of car wash soap. One is some type of sudsy fun soap and the other with the anti-static qualities. Why? Is that just a marketing gimmick?

Thank you.

Bob

PS. Regarding my using a leaf blower. The one I use is rated at 150 MPH. Actually I wish it was a little more powerful, perhaps 180 to 200. Some of the larger shop vacs are capable of these speeds, but you can buy a leafblower relatively cheap and its a little easier to maneuver. Using the blower definitely reduces the number of those fine scratches you get. Like I said, I haven't had to use towel for months except for some dripping. But I have to say that if your car doesn't have a smooth, clean finish, the blower doesn't work as well at getting all the water off. On a clean finish it just flies right off the paint. Good luck.

Unfortunately Dawn won't strip Zaino. Most people suggest a 50/50 mix of alcohol and water. You could also use a cleaner polish like Meguiars #9 swirl mark remover. Either should work fine.

My recommendation for a car wash product that can be found just about anywhere would be either Meguiars Gold Class Car Wash or NXT Tech Wash. You can't go wrong with either.

Not sure why the hesitation to give NXT a try. With Meguiars money back guarantee the only thing you have to lose is a bit of time and energy and if you don't like it you can always go back to Zaino.

[STG]

Try H20!

From the 'Vette photos above , it looks like water does a pretty good job removing Zaino! (Sorry, I couldn't resist!)

[Mike Phillips]

Just to chime in,

I'm in meetings most of the day, and then starting at around 5:00pm I'll be starting this project,

Open Invitation - Mercedes-Benz Extreme Makeover

Hopefully, I can get back to this and other threads sometime Friday. Of course, Saturday is CorvetteForum at Meguiar's Detailing Class.

Kind of busy...

Mike

[DSG Man]

Originally posted by rjstaaf
Unfortunately Dawn won't strip Zaino. Most people suggest a 50/50 mix of alcohol and water. You could also use a cleaner polish like Meguiars #9 swirl mark remover. Either should work fine.

My recommendation for a car wash product that can be found just about anywhere would be either Meguiars Gold Class Car Wash or NXT Tech Wash. You can't go wrong with either.

Not sure why the hesitation to give NXT a try. With Meguiars money back guarantee the only thing you have to lose is a bit of time and energy and if you don't like it you can always go back to Zaino.

Actually, I didn't even start to think about trying it until recently.