Nxt Paste vs. #16

[Dee]

Okay, I'm very excited about ordering my #16.. I have quick question, does anyone have an opinon on the difference between the Nxt Paste Wax versus the #16. Since I've heard so much about the gloss of the #16 I ordered a can from an undisclosed location:-)
I would really like to hear others opinons of the #16 vs. the Nxt Paste... Thanks!

[kellyinkc]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

I'll take a stab at it.
Put 16 on REAL thin, or you will give your arm a workout.
Do one section at a time.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

They're completely different products, in texture, feel, looks and formulas.

[bernard78]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

The #16 is a hard paste type. I don't have Nxt paste but I seen it b4 and it's like the cream paste type. Is it? So I guess it's different. But #16 is good. Over here is raining almost every single day and I've tried it for 2 weeks and water still beads and the shine is still good.

I would like to try the Nxt paste soon too. I think both are very good products and they have their own performance wise too. Since #16 discontinue, hehehe gotto find something similar to use too.

[Bence]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

Both are hard pastes. NXT is not soft like a pudding (aka pre-softened paste; non-flowing emulsion). #16 is a more understated product, NXT is brighter, flashier.

Bernard, order it from England. Costs around GBP12.

[Dee]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

Mike, what do you think about #16.. Was it a reallly good product but the Nxt Paste was better, or was #16 a superior produt. does anyone have any pictures of the results they received from using the #16?

[cherrycougar]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

The #16 is a hard paste type. I don't have Nxt paste but I seen it b4 and it's like the cream paste type. Is it? So I guess it's different. But #16 is good. Over here is raining almost every single day and I've tried it for 2 weeks and water still beads and the shine is still good.

I would like to try the Nxt paste soon too. I think both are very good products and they have their own performance wise too. Since #16 discontinue, hehehe gotto find something similar to use too.

Never used #16 but with weekly use of NXT my car still has beads a day after it rains after it's been driven a while

[Blr123]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

The main benefit of #16 over NXT is durability and #16 has a slightly better gloss finish.

I use #16 over #21 and apply a second coat the day after or "spit shine" and that is as good a winter protection as you will get.......on a par with anything and everything, it will last months with minimal maitenance, possibly use a sparay wax now and again to bring back the "just detailed" look and that would be all you would have to do .

Bryan

[bernard78]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

Just detailed my car for 5 hours. 1 hour later its raining. All my #16 hard work. Aiya..... GC Wash, Clay bar, ColorX, #16, Trim detailer, High Endurance Gloss.

[Blr123]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

Hi Bernard,

Your hard work has not been wasted.........that's what we do it for.........protection against exactly that inclement weather..........your car is FULLY protected.

Bryan

[cherrycougar]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

Not just that but when you follow this up you'll cash in on that as this stuff is cumulative.

Rain does **** though

[Dee]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

Okay, I used #16 this weekend... I washed the car with Nxt, and applied the #16, (I thought it was a very thin layer)... OMG, I think I lost an arm trying to take this stuff off... The shine was good, but I think I could have accomplished the same gloss with the #21.. Let me ask the forum, when you typically apply #16, do you put it on and immediately take it off? I'm just wondering because I had one heck of a challenge taking this stuff off....

[Blr123]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

Hi Dee,

I normally apply #16 over #21 and then I "spite shine" it i.e. put 2 layers of #16 on at the same time.........just incase here's how I do that either by PC using 4" pads or by hand it's the same method: -

Apply wax to panel 1, spritz with a detail spray, leave

Apply wax to panel 2, spritz with a detail sray and leave

Repeat for panels 3 and 4

Return to panel 1 and re wax (I don't buff off first but this is a good option) until spray droplets are almost invisible. leave

Repeat for panel 2

Buff panel 1

and so on!!!

Also I find it helps if I do this when applying, wipe applicator pad over wax in tin, then "dab" the pad around the area I'm working on then simply rud in as normal, that way the pad is picking up more wax as it needs it rather than concentrating the wax in one area initially.

I hope that helps.

Bryan

[Dee]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

Bryan, I will try that method on Wednesday.. I will say it does have a nice crisp clean look to it.. But my method was a lot of hard work.. I just did a side panel, after my previous post, and it looks to me that I will have to apply this wax in small sections, and remove it after about 5-6 minutes of drying time.. Then follow up with #21.. I will try that tonight to see how it works..

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Nxt Paste vs. #16

Okay, I used #16 this weekend... I washed the car with NXT, and applied the #16, (I thought it was a very thin layer)...

OMG, I think I lost an arm trying to take this stuff off...

And now you know why anyone that has ever used this products and talks about it online will tell you that you must apply a thin coating or it will break your arm trying to take it off. It's no joke eh?

The shine was good, but I think I could have accomplished the same gloss with the #21..

Some guy on Autopia tried to misconstrue something I wrote by quoting my post from this forum into a thread on Autopia and the challenging what I wrote in his post on Autopia to which I corrected him. Your statement above although not directed towards his confusion does vindicate my post on both forums. M16 is a good wax, but Meguiar's offers waxes that will produce better results with less work.

Let me ask the forum, when you typically apply #16, do you put it on and immediately take it off? I'm just wondering because I had one heck of a challenge taking this stuff off....

The goal or idea of a car wax is to leave a layer of protection behind on the surface of the paint. The way this is accomplished is in part through the drying process. If you wipe a paint protectant off before it has completely dried... you have just wiped the paint protectant off the surface and in effect left little or nothing behind.

If you're goal is to leave something behind on the surface, (which is the goal behind applying a wax or paint protectant otherwise why do it?), then you must allow the product to fully dry before removal.

This is why Red Flags should go up anytime you read about any wax or paint protectant, whereupon it is recommended to apply it and then immediately wipe it off. Something is wrong with the product, in most cases it will be because the product is hard to wipe off, so the company, or user posting their opinion about the product will recommend you wipe it on and then immediately wipe it off, this is known as the "WOWO" Method. The WOWO Method when in reference to a wax or a paint protectant isn't really a method but instead is band-aid approach to a faulty product. It's also a tale-tale sign that the person posting or recommending the method doesn't understand the process or the problem.

M16 is a heavy wax that must be applied using a thin coating and then allowed to fully dry before removal. Removal of even a thin coating can still be very difficult because the layer of wax you've applied, although thin, is still going to be hard after it dries. The best way to remove it is by using either microfiber with a nap, (little fiber loops), or 100% cotton terry cloth, the kind with a plush nap. Start out by breaking the wax open, and then creep-out from there using controlled but small bites into the continuous layer of wax.

It cannot be a quick easy process, you the remover must understand that you must be focused on the task at hand and be very careful when wiping it off or you'll instill scratches into the paint in the process.

It's not an easy wax to use and in part this is one of the reasons other waxes in the Meguiar's line were and are more popular before the decision was made to discontinue it.

Note which line M16 is in... the Professional Line.
Products in the Professional Line typically require more skill and experience to remove as compared to any company's Consumer, or Enthusiast line because products in a Professional Line are formulated for professional craftsmen that work, 5, 6, and sometimes 7 days a week practicing their craft. They therefore have a high skill level and lots of experience working with a wide range of products as compared to enthusiasts who typically wash and wax their car a couple of times a year.

Don't want to scare you off from using this can of M16 you've obtained on your car, but we do want to arm you with information to help you be more successful when you go out into your garage to work on your car.

Hope this helps...