Questions on durability of NXT?

[2000]

I've been reading this since it started and finnally I can't take it no more, I have to ask this question..........what does water beading prove? I was using #82 on my work truck which was beat to heaven. no beading, no sheating the water would cling to the vehicle. anyway I got side track and couldn't finish my truck so here it was all done with #82 and no protection. I have to leave it out over night and guess what happened...it rained for three days, and water is still beading. so is it the oil of the polish, the slickness and smoothness of the paint or what? certinnatly wasn't ANYONES wax. so beading can't be a measuring point of protection, right?

[agentf1]

Originally posted by 2000
I've been reading this since it started and finnally I can't take it no more, I have to ask this question..........what does water beading prove? I was using #82 on my work truck which was beat to heaven. no beading, no sheating the water would cling to the vehicle. anyway I got side track and couldn't finish my truck so here it was all done with #82 and no protection. I have to leave it out over night and guess what happened...it rained for three days, and water is still beading. so is it the oil of the polish, the slickness and smoothness of the paint or what? certinnatly wasn't ANYONES wax. so beading can't be a measuring point of protection, right?

I asked this on the first page. Here is my quote that I took right off the box.

If durability and protection are two different things, explain to me the difference between the two and when it stops beading how do I know that I am still being protected? To quote the NXT box, "Our new ESP (Engineered Synthetic Polymers) technology creates a
tougher, polymer bond to your paint so it can provide extreme
protection. And that also means extreme beading action. This is now the
long-lasting car wax we make." If beading does not mean anything, why does Meguiars emphasize it on the NXT box? To me, Meguiars equates water beading to protection!

Beginner, I think you can read about Zaino on any auto forum, it doesn't seem to need its own.

[agentf1]

Originally posted by Beginner2002
Thank you for ur reply, agentf1..I take most of what I read on the internet with a grain of salt unless it's an official site of the company!

Official sites seem to have an agenda. General auto forums are just a bunch of guys discussing what works best for them with no hidden agenda and don't profit from there advice. I put the most stock in my personal results, not what everybody else says.

[rjstaaf]

Originally posted by agentf1
I tried numerous ways of prep, I posted it somewhere, maybe it was on the CF. I tried removing Zaino, I followed up ColorX, I followed #5, I followed #82 DACP. My MB was professionally detailed by the MB dealer a about a month prior to my experimenting with NXT. I figured since the Zaino had already been removed it was the perfect time to try some new products and hearing everything on the forum peaked my interest. I was a skeptic when I first heard about Zaino and could not believe the difference so I fully expected to see the same dramatic result from NXT, NOT. I tried doing the top of my show car fender and compared it to the Zaino hood and it had a milky/cloudy appearance in comparison. I also tried WolfGang at the same time and got similiar results. I even broke out my meddalian and another form of Meguiars wax that the name is excaping me right now and tried panels with them. I even tried it on my silver Lightning. I am going to admit I was becoming sceptical of Zaino after using it so long and that is what prompted me to do this but totally found my scepticism to be unfounded and totally reinforced why I am using Zaino. There really is no right or wrong answer here but I got the answer I was searching for so I am going back to Zaino. Obviously you like NXT so I say keep using it. A friend from the CF expressed interest in NXT (Rex Ruby) so I am going to pass the bottles to him. Maybe he will post his opinion when done. Adios.

It is kind of hard to tell what might be affecting NXT in your case after all those different applications of different products although none of them should have caused a problem. When I applied NXT to my Mustang in January I actually didn't do any prep at all other than washing and claying the paint. I was trying to test NXT so I didn't want any other products to interfere with the results.

I am assuming you probably have already gone back to Zaino on the car. If by chance you decide to try it again I would start with clean paint with nothing on it and apply NXT, let it cure until it passes the swipe test then wipe it off. Wait about 12-24 hours and then apply another coat. I usually do 2 coats just to ensure complete and even coverage.

Usually when you have problems with a product it is best to go back to the basics and eliminate anything that could be contributing to the problem. That is why I would try it on clean paint without anything beneath it.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by agentf1
Official sites seem to have an agenda. General auto forums are just a bunch of guys discussing what works best for them with no hidden agenda and don't profit from there advice. I put the most stock in my personal results, not what everybody else says.

agentf1,

The purpose of Meguiar's Online's forum is to answer questions and to help people get the best results from their time, money and efforts. There is no agenda here.

It's also a place to share you passion for your car with other like minded people.

Mike

[Lynn Matthews]

This thread has been reopened.

Just a warning, we are all here to share knowledge and bashing a manufactures products an/or members will NOT be tolerated.

If you have a problem with a Meguiar’s product this forum is the place to have your fellow members help you out to see if you can improve your results. If you still don't like the product find something you like and use it.

If you don’t want help, then don’t ask. Meguiar's has a money back guarantee if you are not completely satisfied.

Keep the peace...

Lynn Phillips
Meguiar's Online Admin.

[2000]

Originally posted by 2000
I've been reading this since it started and finnally I can't take it no more, I have to ask this question..........what does water beading prove? I was using #82 on my work truck which was beat to heaven. no beading, no sheating the water would cling to the vehicle. anyway I got side track and couldn't finish my truck so here it was all done with #82 and no protection. I have to leave it out over night and guess what happened...it rained for three days, and water is still beading. so is it the oil of the polish, the slickness and smoothness of the paint or what? certinnatly wasn't ANYONES wax. so beading can't be a measuring point of protection, right?

sorry, but thats was not ment as a smart a** reply, but a honest question.

[Blue Snake]

Originally posted by Lynn Phillips
This thread has been reopened.

Just a warning, we are all here to share knowledge and bashing a manufactures products an/or members will NOT be tolerated.

If you have a problem with a Meguiar’s product this forum is the place to have your fellow members help you out to see if you can improve your results. If you still don't like the product find something you like and use it.

If you don’t want help, then don’t ask. Meguiar's has a money back guarantee if you are not completely satisfied.

Keep the peace...

Lynn Phillips
Meguiar's Online Admin.

LYNN ROCKS

Could not have said it better! This is a positive learning enviroment that has made it possible for me and others to learn the tips and tricks of how to make our cars look there best!
I just want to say Thanks to Mike ,Lynn and Meguiars for all there support

Thanks to all those who takes the time to help by posting also!

[Lynn Matthews]

Originally posted by 2000
sorry, but thats was not ment as a smart a** reply, but a honest question.

You question was fine, you are not the member I was referring to at all.

Lynn

[RamAirV1]

Three questions:

Does applying (and removing) wax with the PC and the correct pads and bonnets improve longevity compared to hand application and removal?

NXT Car Wash label calls for 1 oz. per gallon of water. If a higher concentration is used, like 1.3 oz. per gallon, would that affect the longevity of the wax?

When will the new Ultimate Bonnets be available? The old ones work fine but I am anxious to try the new ones.


RamAirV1

[2000]

Originally posted by RamAirV1
Three questions:

Does applying (and removing) wax with the PC and the correct pads and bonnets improve longevity compared to hand application and removal?

NXT Car Wash label calls for 1 oz. per gallon of water. If a higher concentration is used, like 1.3 oz. per gallon, would that affect the longevity of the wax?

When will the new Ultimate Bonnets be available? The old ones work fine but I am anxious to try the new ones.


RamAirV1

see!
It only took us four pages to get some great questions out of this thread.
hope some one knows, I'm curious as well.

[Tim Lingor]

Hey RamAirV1,

Nice to hear from you!

As for the questions, I do not know how the PC application would affect NXT's durability. It may provide a more uniform coverage which may or may not help.

The new MF towels are in so I have heard from reading other posts. But I have not heard if the bonnets have arrived or not.

Sorry Bud! I wish I could have helped more!

Tim

[rusty bumper]

I'll say this much for NXT.

The gloss has held up pretty good so far, since the 1st of spring.

[RamAirV1]

Hi Tim,

I ordered some NXT Car Wash (can't find it locally) and a spare bottle of Tech Wax from Meguiars last week. The NXT Car Wash is good enough that I will special order it if I have to. It is major help in preventing water spots. And it definitely has anti-static properties from my experience.

I applied MPPP to part of the hood of my car and Tech Wax to the other part. After a few days, the MPPP had less dust than teh Tech Wax. Once I used Final Detail, the difference disappeared. After my next car wash I used no Final Detail and dust attraction was the same for both sides. And the amount of dust was less than usual. After a few days, I applied some Final Detail on a small section of the hood and that section attracted more dust.

An anti-static quick detailer (hint,hint) would be a nice addition to the NXT line.

Anyways, when I placed my NXT order, I asked about the new Ultimate Bonnets and they were not available yet. I didn't think to ask about the new MF towels. I just figured they probably weren't available yet either. I see in another post that they are available now in a 20 pack.

RamAirV1

[vwguy]

Originally posted by RamAirV1
An anti-static quick detailer (hint,hint) would be a nice addition to the NXT line.

My thoughts exactly!

Brian