Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

[Daniel Klemetsen]

How can this be, when the soap has an PH value to prevent this?

I did as fallow:

Cleaned the whole car
Applied turtle wax (yes, sorry), a kind of hard one (not fluid) with machine
Removed it with MF
Applied Sealant 2.0 with machine
Removed it with MF

The resault was very good! Nice look, and the water made nice pearls when it rains and after was..

After a week, I bought the Paint Protect 365 and the NXT soap.. I washed down the car again, and applied it with MF, waited about 5-10min and then removed it again with MF.

This worked very good as well, but I did not see so much difference since it allready was good. However, I noticed when I washed the car next time (with the new soap), that when i used the preasure hose it seamed like some kind of white "milk" or similar that was removed from my paint. I flushed the ground to see if there was any soap in the water from the preasurehose, but there was not. I contiued, and everything seemed fine a guess, when I was finnished. I noticed the same thing the second time I washed the car, and then, every effect of the wax/sealant/365 is gone.. No pearls, and the water is sticking to the surface "as glue"

I read a post here about the 365, and that seemed legit! After 4 mounths it still brings the pearl-effect to the water.. So, I cant use the new soap?

Thanks for advice, i'm a bit new to this: But I love it

[Nick Winn]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

Hey Daniel,

Welcome to MOL. Which specific Turtle Wax product was applied in your initial detailing of the vehicle? Was it an actual protectant or more of a surface prep product? I am not very familiar with their products but it is possible it could have not allowed our Synthetic Sealant 2.0 to properly adhere, thus not allowing the Paint Protect to properly adhere.

[Daniel Klemetsen]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

Thanks for answer Nicholas! It was the original turtle wax I applied. Everything seamed OK before I used the new soap. However, I can

[Daniel Klemetsen]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

Thanks for answer Nicholas! It was the original turtle wax I applied. Everything seamed OK before I used the new soap. However, I can’t recall if I washed the car with another soap before I used the NXT Generation and then applied the 365..
So you think the sealant and the turtle wax had some problems, which made everything disappear after two washes?
Could I use the sealant after paintcleanse and then the 365? Or should I have some “hard” wax first? Or go straight to 365, nothing else..?

[Nick Winn]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

Thanks for answer Nicholas! It was the original turtle wax I applied. Everything seamed OK before I used the new soap. However, I can’t recall if I washed the car with another soap before I used the NXT Generation and then applied the 365..
So you think the sealant and the turtle wax had some problems, which made everything disappear after two washes?
Could I use the sealant after paintcleanse and then the 365? Or should I have some “hard” wax first? Or go straight to 365, nothing else..?

Sorry for the late response! You have got a few different products all trying to work here, I would recommend starting over, using a clay bar or a mild paint cleaner/polish to remove any existing protectant, and then for best results, apply two coats of the product of your choice, the second coat a full 12 - 24 hours apart from the first. Our products are also recommended to be applied at temperatures above 55 degrees Fahrenheit. If they were applied below this temperature previously this also may have contributed to your experience.

Hope this helps! -Nick

[DasBurninator]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

PP365 is intended to be applied to bare paint and not meant to top another product.

[Daniel Klemetsen]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

Ok, thanks Nick, I'll start over...

DasBurninator, is the idea to use wax or sealing on top of 365, or polish or something to make it look nice, or just only the 365, nothing under and nothing over?

What about the sealant 2.0, I was happy about that one, is the idea to use that directly on bare paint as well? And nothing after the sealant 2.0?

Thanks..

[The Guz]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

Well it does sound like you have too much on the paint and are having bonding issues with all of these products.

If you were happy with M21 then stick with it. It's a very good product.

PP365 was designed to offer long lasting protection. Much longer than M21. PP365 looks good on it's own. A majority of the look comes from the prep work. Prep work meaning polishing. So with PP365 there is no need to apply it over anything else or apply anything on top of it but to use it as a stand alone paint protectant. For maintenance all that is needed is a spray wax like ultimate quik wax or D156.

Sealants in general like to bond to a bare surface. For example after claying or polishing.

[Daniel Klemetsen]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

Ok, I obviously need to read more about this… “Bare paint” for me, is like; just paint… Like, use alcohol to remove everything except color first, and then apply the product.. But, you say that sealant should be used directly on paint, but AFTER polish.. So what that’s mean in my “ears” is that when you polish your car, there will be no leftovers when you remove it with a mf after its dry, but when you do the same procedure with wax, it will look alike but there would be remaining a superthin layer on the paint which gives you the protection/water pearling etc.. Right? Or? Because, I applied the M21 after polish, and that is correct to do, right? And then I messed up by appying the PP365 I guess.. Can you use the M21 as polish, or does it not work like that?

[The Guz]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

You have the option to do some sort of IPA prep wipe. I do this but it is completely optional.

Good article to read

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/31186-miscible-immiscible-wax-paint-sealant-bonding.html

M21 has no correcting ability. It is a finishing sealant. M205 or ultimate polish are finishing polishes.

[Daniel Klemetsen]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

Thanks Michael, I'll check that out

[Nick Winn]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

Not necessary or recommended to use alcohol to strip the paint prior to applying any of our waxes or sealants. There are also many personal preferences around "layering" different products, i.e. applying a synthetic based product and then applying a coat of a carnauba based product. There is no harm in this but in most cases for best results we recommend applying two coats of the same product, a full 12 - 24 hours apart from the first.

[Daniel Klemetsen]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

My point was just to describe how I feel about "just paint", which would be paint with nothing on top, like polish etc.

Next time, I will wash the car with a reset shampoo, and then "Ultimate Compound Color & Clarity Restorer", and then I will use PP365 on one side of the car, and the Sealant 2.0 on the other side to see which one I like best over time.. After about 24 hours, I will use another layer on with the same product. BUT, if I cant let the car stay at the same position, then I have so wash it before I pot another layer, which means that I should wait for one week insted of 24 hours, right? I live in Norway, so I can't expect that the pain wont get wet within one week anyway but, yeah.. Hope this is the right approach..

[DasBurninator]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

My point was just to describe how I feel about "just paint", which would be paint with nothing on top, like polish etc.

Next time, I will wash the car with a reset shampoo, and then "Ultimate Compound Color & Clarity Restorer", and then I will use PP365 on one side of the car, and the Sealant 2.0 on the other side to see which one I like best over time.. After about 24 hours, I will use another layer on with the same product. BUT, if I cant let the car stay at the same position, then I have so wash it before I pot another layer, which means that I should wait for one week insted of 24 hours, right? I live in Norway, so I can't expect that the pain wont get wet within one week anyway but, yeah.. Hope this is the right approach..

I can tell you right now that PP365 will outlast M20. Especially in an area that gets snow and most likely uses salt of some sort to help clear the roads in the winter.

As far what you are doing before you add a second coat. Here is what I generally do on my daily driver. I will apply the first coat on the weekend, drive the car all week and hope it doesn't rain, but no big deal if it does. Next weekend I wash the car again, Usually I do a rinseless with D114. Afterwards apply the second coat.

[Nick Winn]

Re: Seems like the NXT Generation Car wash removes Paint protect 365 and Sealant 2.0

My point was just to describe how I feel about "just paint", which would be paint with nothing on top, like polish etc.

Next time, I will wash the car with a reset shampoo, and then "Ultimate Compound Color & Clarity Restorer", and then I will use PP365 on one side of the car, and the Sealant 2.0 on the other side to see which one I like best over time.. After about 24 hours, I will use another layer on with the same product. BUT, if I cant let the car stay at the same position, then I have so wash it before I pot another layer, which means that I should wait for one week insted of 24 hours, right? I live in Norway, so I can't expect that the pain wont get wet within one week anyway but, yeah.. Hope this is the right approach..

Totally understand! Do you have swirls & scratches which need to be addressed with Ultimate Compound? If not, Ultimate Polish is a cleaner/polish and would work to remove any existing coat of protectant on the paint.

As far the optional step to apply a second coat after 24 hours, if only light dust is on the paint, a spray detailer like our Quik Detailer Mist & Wipe will work to clean the surface to allow you to apply another coat without washing the car again.