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  • Looking to add a wax to my basic package...

    Slowly getting there... my business is almost ready for opening... right when winter is starting, oh well!

    Anyway, to the point.

    I've finalized my packages, their processes and products; except my basic wash/ wax. I originally didn't want to offer this because (for many reasons) but
    price points can also be barriers and as the saying goes... people want clean and shiny. So, I needed something "entry level" to let people experience my work, build repoire, and eventually up sale services and corrections. Thus the basic wash/wax.

    I am in search of a cleaner wax due to its ability to clean painted surfaces. I realize it's limitations of longevity and severely limited defect removal. But, again, that's not the mission statement of this package either.

    My wants are as follows for a cleaner wax...

    -D/A friendly
    -Quick... as in working a larger section than traditional polishing, with fewer passes, to complete the minor mechanical and major chemical cleaning of panels. Ideally, I would like to be able to work it as much or as little into a section as needed without compromising durability or the cleaner waxes ability to finish.
    -Filling... there is filling associated with every product but I would like it to be as minimal as possible (once more, many reasons for this and 'pride' isn't one of them.)
    -I will not be offering a clay treatment with this package. I feel a cleaner wax would be hard pressed to remove potential marring left behind after a clay bar.
    -Plays nice w/ D156, which I assume it does since it is a Megs product

    I'm looking strongly at #6 and l'm posting to get thoughts and feedback on my soon-to-be purchase.

    I've considered #66 and #20 also, but am unsure due to their perceived filling. I haven't seen a lot of feedback regarding their use with a d/a. Mostly #66 is mentioned with rotary use but I leave the rotary for cutting, not cleaner waxes. Mentioned in another post was the level of cut... with #66 being the greatest and #20 & #6 equal to each other. I would assume #20 would last longer than #6... but they are both hybrids from my understanding? I have also considered just using A12 but I read where the Mirror Glaze line of cleaner waxes are 'more' machine friendly and actually cut and clean 'better.'


    (Side note: I have D151 but I find it more time intensive than other cleaner waxes and that product is reserved for another package that includes a clay treatment. I'm positive the cut of D151 will easily remove any marring induced by the clay treatment, thus my reason for using both the clay and 151.)

    Many thanks,
    -Dellinger

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    Re: Looking to add a wax to my basic package...

    My choice is Duragloss 501 mixed with 601 on the pad. This is probably the longest lasting cleaner wax on the market. I love #6 and A12 and they produce great results, but just do not last. I have personally got 5-6 months out of 501/601 combo. Very easy to use, no trim stain, on and off easy, cleans very well, slickness and shine last. I was speaking to a customer yesterday , who has DG501 on his Jeep since June, and he said the car still looks great, water still beading and paint is still slick.

    http://www.meticulous-detail.com/
    "The Prep makes the Pop, not what's on Top"


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    • #3
      Re: Looking to add a wax to my basic package...

      I would go with #66 personally, can be used with a DA.

      With that package you are looking to save YOUR time with an AIO that will last long enough and be affordable.

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        Re: Looking to add a wax to my basic package...

        Meticulous, thanks for your reply.

        I currently have 501 on my roster but not 601. I haven't considered 501 because I've never seen it in quantities above 16oz. Bulk is not always necessary but it is better because I'm 20 minutes to any kind of retail store and my nearest auto parts stores fail to carry Duragloss either, so it must be mail ordered. I am under the impression that 501 contains very, very little abrasives? All of megs cleaner waxes seem to have some mechanical cleaning ability to them and I like that.
        However... I guess I could make a 501/A12 cocktail on one of my own vehicles and see how it goes...

        Jankerson, greetings, thanks for posting.

        In my mind, I like the idea of #66... I just want to hear some 1st person accounts of the stuff being used with a d/a. I know it is perfectly fine for use with a d/a...every review, that was in depth, with #66 was being applied via rotary and it sounded as if the majority of reviewers worked for dealers/ auctions/ etc... which is exactly who the product is designed to benefit. BUT, I really couldn't glean from the reviews if the products was just filling, if the reviewer actually had any abilities with a rotary, and so on, so forth. The reviews mostly went like this... "Oh, I just one-stepped this truck with #66 in 1hr with the rotary and a cutting pad. This is the only product that allows me to do this and not worry about swirls and trails. I love this stuff!" So, if you, or anyone else has any feedback with a daily driver and #66 applied via d/a, that would be great. Or even link me to a review similar... I would appreciate it.

        However, you are absolutely correct... it's about maximizing my time and thereby be affordable for clients.

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        • #5
          Re: Looking to add a wax to my basic package...

          Originally posted by Dellinger View Post
          Meticulous, thanks for your reply.

          I currently have 501 on my roster but not 601. I haven't considered 501 because I've never seen it in quantities above 16oz. Bulk is not always necessary but it is better because I'm 20 minutes to any kind of retail store and my nearest auto parts stores fail to carry Duragloss either, so it must be mail ordered. I am under the impression that 501 contains very, very little abrasives? All of megs cleaner waxes seem to have some mechanical cleaning ability to them and I like that.
          However... I guess I could make a 501/A12 cocktail on one of my own vehicles and see how it goes...

          Jankerson, greetings, thanks for posting.

          In my mind, I like the idea of #66... I just want to hear some 1st person accounts of the stuff being used with a d/a. I know it is perfectly fine for use with a d/a...every review, that was in depth, with #66 was being applied via rotary and it sounded as if the majority of reviewers worked for dealers/ auctions/ etc... which is exactly who the product is designed to benefit. BUT, I really couldn't glean from the reviews if the products was just filling, if the reviewer actually had any abilities with a rotary, and so on, so forth. The reviews mostly went like this... "Oh, I just one-stepped this truck with #66 in 1hr with the rotary and a cutting pad. This is the only product that allows me to do this and not worry about swirls and trails. I love this stuff!" So, if you, or anyone else has any feedback with a daily driver and #66 applied via d/a, that would be great. Or even link me to a review similar... I would appreciate it.

          However, you are absolutely correct... it's about maximizing my time and thereby be affordable for clients.

          Yes, most of what you will see #66 being used for is production detailing, I have used it before along time ago (Rotary) and you will be fine using it with a DA.

          From what I remember it's aggressive enough to do what you want while leaving a good finish, it works pretty fast and that's what you want.

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            Re: Looking to add a wax to my basic package...

            Originally posted by Dellinger View Post
            Meticulous, thanks for your reply.

            I currently have 501 on my roster but not 601. I haven't considered 501 because I've never seen it in quantities above 16oz. Bulk is not always necessary but it is better because I'm 20 minutes to any kind of retail store and my nearest auto parts stores fail to carry Duragloss either, so it must be mail ordered. I am under the impression that 501 contains very, very little abrasives? All of megs cleaner waxes seem to have some mechanical cleaning ability to them and I like that.
            However... I guess I could make a 501/A12 cocktail on one of my own vehicles and see how it goes...

            Jankerson, greetings, thanks for posting.

            In my mind, I like the idea of #66... I just want to hear some 1st person accounts of the stuff being used with a d/a. I know it is perfectly fine for use with a d/a...every review, that was in depth, with #66 was being applied via rotary and it sounded as if the majority of reviewers worked for dealers/ auctions/ etc... which is exactly who the product is designed to benefit. BUT, I really couldn't glean from the reviews if the products was just filling, if the reviewer actually had any abilities with a rotary, and so on, so forth. The reviews mostly went like this... "Oh, I just one-stepped this truck with #66 in 1hr with the rotary and a cutting pad. This is the only product that allows me to do this and not worry about swirls and trails. I love this stuff!" So, if you, or anyone else has any feedback with a daily driver and #66 applied via d/a, that would be great. Or even link me to a review similar... I would appreciate it.

            However, you are absolutely correct... it's about maximizing my time and thereby be affordable for clients.
            601 is a bonding agent. I apply 501 and 601 together and let dry to a haze and then remove. I combine on the pad at 3 to 1 ratio. DG 501 has light abrasives and chemical cleaners. My customers like it because it last very long and cleans the paint very well.

            I already have done a killer combo, DG 501/601 and Megs D151 for the ultimate one step. Check it out http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...ight=ram+sport

            http://www.meticulous-detail.com/
            "The Prep makes the Pop, not what's on Top"


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            • #7
              Re: Looking to add a wax to my basic package...

              Meticulous... the link you posted is a major reason I have 151 and 501 on my shelf. I saw that a while ago. I even have tried your cocktail, lol. Your results look fantastic.

              Thanks for the feedback gents.
              -Dellinger

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              • #8
                Re: Looking to add a wax to my basic package...

                M66 is the choice of most pros out there

                DetailingByM.com

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                • #9
                  Re: Looking to add a wax to my basic package...

                  Originally posted by Dellinger View Post
                  Meticulous... the link you posted is a major reason I have 151 and 501 on my shelf. I saw that a while ago. I even have tried your cocktail, lol. Your results look fantastic.

                  Thanks for the feedback gents.
                  -Dellinger
                  Did you like the combo? It is pad dependent.

                  http://www.meticulous-detail.com/
                  "The Prep makes the Pop, not what's on Top"


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                  • #10
                    Re: Looking to add a wax to my basic package...

                    You know... I haven't worked with it enough. I'm still getting quite a bit of dusting from 151 no matter what I do. (Smaller section, faster arm speed, less pressure, etc...) I used 'the MD cocktail' on a Beige metallic '04 GMC Yukon... so I couldn't really tell a difference w/ the 501 added to the 151 (as far as cleaning goes.) It didn't seem to affect the cut. I'm gonna keep playing with it and since 151 is a 3 section passes and done (for me anyway)... it is quick but the dust is keeping me from making that my 'cleaner wax' at this point. And my pads just get sooo saturated... it's like one panel and the pad is DONE.

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