Old School vs New School

[Vettefan]

For years, I have been following the "old school" process (least aggressive to more aggressive) in my detailing for removing light to moderate swirls & stains/blemishes in single stage AND clear coat paints using a Porter Cable DA polisher , prior to final waxing. Have had very good results

M09 - Swirl Remover 2.0
M80 - Speed Glaze
M83 - Dual Action Cleaner Polish

Would the "new school" approach for removing light to moderate swirls and stains/blemishes be as follows:

M205 - Ultra Finishing Polish
UC - Ultimate Compound
M105 - Ultra Cut Compound

Would any of the "old School" products work well in the tier of less aggressive to more aggressive? Like after #205, using #80 or #83 before moving up to UC and/or #105?

vettefan

[cvalley]

Re: Old School vs New School

Explain your theory to me. Why wouldn't finishing with the most aggressive compound result in swirl marks? I'm not that knowledgeable, and I may be missing something.

[Vettefan]

Re: Old School vs New School

Working on swirls in paint, I always start with the least aggressive (like #9 Swirl Remove) and work up the aggressiveness ladder as necessary to M83. Using these "old school" products I have never had to use a compound.

[Dellinger]

Re: Old School vs New School

The 'new school', as you say... should go in this order:

1.- M105/ UC
2.- M205/ UP
3.- LSP

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Old School vs New School

We think you guys are confusing Vettefan's product listing as being an order of products used, from start to finish, during a detailing project. What he's saying is that he does his initial test spot with M09 and if that doesn't remove the swirls he steps up to M80 and then, if he needs to, to M83. He's not saying that he starts correcting with M09 and then does his finishing with M83.

So, Vettefan, your question is essentially "which of these 'new school' products (M205, UC, M105) is the least aggressive and which is most?"

The order you placed them is spot on but it goes deeper than that. The three "new school" products use vastly different abrasives than the "old school" products do, so even the more aggressive ones tend to finish out nicer than the most aggressive of the older gen products. And speaking of aggressiveness, UC is even quite a bit more aggressive than even M83 so keep that in mind when working on a project.

Of course, you can complicate things even more by selecting a different pad, tool speed, etc. M205, for example can be quite versatile in that it's a great finishing polish at slow speeds with a foam finishing pad, but with a foam polishing pad, a bit more tool speed and a bit more pressure, it can do a great job of removing light to moderate swirls, depending on the paint.

[Dellinger]

Re: Old School vs New School

I'm dyslexic, OP... you are right- (in order of least to most aggressive) concerning the 'new school' of Megs compounds/ polishes.

[Vettefan]

Re: Old School vs New School

Thank you Mike for stepping in here. YES, you interpreted my initial post perfectly! Sometimes, M09 is all that's needed before finishing up with a wax. Based on your response I can move forward with a better understanding of M205 and UC. Never thought of using 205 at a slowing speed and the finishing pad. I will definitely add that knowledge to my application practices.

Thank you again Mike!

Vettefan

[Vettefan]

Re: Old School vs New School

If I am understanding the aggressiveness, if mixing old and new in the same aggressiveness steps, M83 is still more aggressive than M205 but less aggressive than UC. Do I have it correct? If so, would you recommend if M205 does not seem to be aggressive enough, trying M83 first before jumping to UC?

Vettefan

[Murr1525]

Re: Old School vs New School

The thing with UC is that you can make it mild or strong with how you work it, where 83 needs worked in a proper amount, and then pads as well. So UC is a very broad range.