Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

[jayno20]

I have done some buffing in the past to remove swirl marks, but I recently got a 370z that has some of the worst swirls I have ever seen. I have been using 1Z Einszett Pro Line intensive paste, then high gloss, then final finish which seems to work on most cars. After spending a good part of the day using the intensive paste, I noticed it was not really removing the swirls very effectively. I have always read good things about meguiars #105 followed up by the #205. Just wondering if anyone here can say if I'll have better results with the #105 versus the 1z intensive paste...

I am using a porter cable DA polisher and have foam pads from lake country. Any input on removing pretty severe swirling would be great.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

Well, as you are finding out, results will vary for each and every car. Do you have M105 and M205? Or asking what you should buy?

[jayno20]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

Well, as you are finding out, results will vary for each and every car. Do you have M105 and M205? Or asking what you should buy?

I'm asking if you think those products will cut better or are just over all better products than what I am currently using..

[CreamPuff]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

105 is not designed for a DA. Some people have used it and figured out ways to make it work, but i would recommend following Meguiar's instructions that it's best on a rotary. 105 is some strong stuff...it's designed to get rid of 1500grit sanding.

With that said...I would use the combo that I LOVE the most...Meguiar's Ultimate Compound with Meguiar's yellow polishing pad...Use speed 6 on the Porter cable and use a strong amount of pressure (on a scale of 1 - 5 pressure, use 5). Then to get just that bit more, Meguiar's #205, with a black finishing pad, speed 5, with pressure 3. Spread quickly, and move it maybe twice as fast as you would move it using Ultimate Compound . Then top it off with your favorite wax. Trust me, you won't be disappointed but this combo IF your paint responds well to it!

I detailed a 2008 Toyota 4 Runner this weekend for a friend of mine. After using Meguiar's Ultimate Compound + yellow pad (2 passes, 1 horizontal, 1 vertical, it looked good, but when you go to the Meguiar's Thursday Night Open Garage sessions as much as I have recently, you just want to get that EXTRA bit more and with close examination, you can see some smaller fine swirly things...


No fear though....Meguiar's has some great products so after, I took some of the #205 and the finishing pad....oh baby.....






Finished the car off with Meguiar's 4" finishing pad, Meguiar's Ultimate Paste Wax...yum.

Hope this helps! Sorry, I don't know anything about Lake Country pads...maybe you can find a chart to what's suppose to be comparable to Meguiar's products. But wanna make it simple, use my steps above. If that still doesn't fix it, you might want to look into the DA Micro Fiber system.

[davey g-force]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

105 is not designed for a DA. Some people have used it and figured out ways to make it work, but i would recommend following Meguiar's instructions that it's best on a rotary.

I believe the original M105 was for rotary only, but it was reformulated a few years ago to also be suitable for DA use.

I certainly have used it with a DA with great results...

[CreamPuff]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

I believe the original M105 was for rotary only, but it was reformulated a few years ago to also be suitable for DA use.

I certainly have used it with a DA with great results...

This is true...I have the older version that is not recommended for a DA. However, you should always use the least aggressive product to get the job done...therefore, no need to go to 105. Ultimate compound first...that's my recommendation and that's almost the GO TO product at all the Thursday Night Open Garage sessions.

[jayno20]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

This is true...I have the older version that is not recommended for a DA. However, you should always use the least aggressive product to get the job done...therefore, no need to go to 105. Ultimate compound first...that's my recommendation and that's almost the GO TO product at all the Thursday Night Open Garage sessions.

OK how aggressive is the ultimate compound? Remember I have already tried some intensive paste from another company with no luck..

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

We're pretty confident that if you follow Tommy's (Creampuff) advice you'll get the results you're looking for. Ultimate Compound may be in our consumer line, but don't let that fool you into thinking it's just some over the counter run of the mill stuff. It is based on M105 but is designed to be much more user friendly on a DA - it creates far less dust, offers a much longer buffing cycle, and wipes off much easier. It uses the same type of abrasives as M105, it's just not quite as aggressive. But then again, M105 is our single most aggressive liquid.

[CreamPuff]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

^^^What Michael said....and don't forget to put on some M205 as well...that stuff is

[jayno20]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

^^^What Michael said....and don't forget to put on some M205 as well...that stuff is

So ultimate compound followed up by #205 then a nice glaze?

[rcramie]

Ultimate compound and ultimate polish would work in place of #205 and should be easier to find.

[CreamPuff]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

So ultimate compound followed up by #205 then a nice glaze?

yep...apply wax right after #205. No need for any more polish after that really. Ultimate polish was derived from 205 if i'm not mistaken. If you want easy access to products, I think off the shelf you can go with UC then UP. But if you're gonna order it online or have easy access to it close by, and you have more experience than your average guy/gal that goes to Walmart...order yourself some #205. I've used Ultimate Paste wax over this past weekend. I love the stuff so much, now I have a bottle of NXT 2.0...who knows when i'm going to finish using that product...or just put on your favorite wax.

[jayno20]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

I'm going to get the Uc and Up and try it, but I'm hesitant on believing that is going to give me if results I want when the professional intensive paste I used before failed.

Here's hoping for the best!

[CreamPuff]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

UC hasn't failed me! Make sure you use a good amount of pressure to get more cutting action.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Bad swirls on a '10 370z.

Sometimes it comes down more to what product works best on what paint. I recently had the opportunity to play with a wide variety of competitors products on a fellow employees metallic yellow 350Z (admittedly the paint on her car could be quite different from the paint on jayno's 370Z even though both are Nissan Z cars - they are different model years, after all), most of which cost at least double what UC costs. None of them cut any faster than UC, and none left any better finish (although one of them did haze the paint quite badly while quickly removing all the swirls). But all of them created more dust than UC did - some just a tiny bit, some pretty significant.

What's critically important, regardless of the product used, is how you're using it. Technique is everything in this game, so no matter how good that product in the bottle is, if your technique is poor you can only expect the product to save you up to a point. Now don't get us wrong, jayno, we aren't saying your technique is to blame here, we're just making a point. But that interaction between product and paint is huge, and sometimes certain things just don't play well together. We've seen cases where, when working on multiple cars in a single day in the same room, one product/pad combo was just stellar on Car A and totally unusable on Car B. Crazy, but it happens, and more often than you might think.