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    ive been in business for about 2.5 years now as a professional detailer. much of what ive learned has come from this very site, so thank you for that! i originally started all my buffing/polishing/waxing with a porter cable da. eventually it finally had its last day and the spindle broke out of it, causing some damage while i was using a cutting pad on a car. not a great result.

    anyway, i then decided to learn how to use a rotary--my window tinter has used a rotary when he used to detail for nearly 20 years and he couldnt believe the time i put into buffing a car. so i gave it a shot and learned how to use it and it has worked out quite well. however, i worry i could be swirling paint and im just not seeing it--is that possible? i didnt know if swirls are immediately visible after compounding? the only vehicle i see on a regular basis is my own after buffing, and while it does show some swirls its likely due to the fact that i wash mine by hand in between, and i wont lie, i take terrible care of my own paint--guilty. not like i care for a customers car.

    i do however see a friends car, which i brought back from the grave it had such terrible paint. i buffed that thing to no end with a wool pad, and finished with synthetic sealant 2.0 just like my normal cars and it sitll looks beautiful two months later. maybe im lucky and i dont make swirls...not sure. it seems like everyone speaks of a rotary as a swirl machine and im just not sure what to think. i always clay after washing and i use wool pad for buffing, then wax. i only do customer cars in the single stage of buffing, no polishing before wax. is it better to polish before waxing, or is that only necessary if i dont see the results i want? i literally dont put sealant on until the paint appears flawless.

    ive thought about moving to the foam/wool pads that are now available to see what kind of results that could have with a rotary...or move back to a flex or meguairs or porter cable da and use the microfiber pad system--any experience there? i am looking for real world experience with these products. im referring to terrible paint--not just a few years old and mildly neglected. i get the best of both worlds. the microfiber system looks like it could be another cool product to use, and honestly tie together all the products i use under the Detailer name only, which would be kinda cool. And is the wax used in the microfiber kit comparable to syn sealant 2.0 or any of the other top waxes/sealants under the meguiars name? i know a lot of people will shop around and use a brand here and a brand there, but i prefer to keep a single brand in all of my detailing process. ocd i guess. all help is appreciated here guys. thanks for reading. i know its a lot of questions!

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    Re: comparison of rotary to microfiber da kit--looking for experienced opinions

    Btw I understand about masking what problems lie beneath. I do not think that's what I'm achieving with rotary. I usually go over the whole vehicle with last touch to remove any extra compound, and I assume if it was masking holograms or swirls I would know right away.

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      Re: comparison of rotary to microfiber da kit--looking for experienced opinions

      On some paints (dark colored, on delicate side) it's really challenging to finish swirl-free with a rotary buffer. Even with a perfect technique (slow and steady arm speed, buffing pad perfectly flat on paint surface, etc) circular polishers tend to leave some unwanted stuff behind. Therefore many detailers prefer to perform final polishing step with dual action polishers.

      DA Microfiber Correction System is a great approach to quik and easy paint correction tasks. Both liquids (D300 Correction Compound and D301 Finishing Wax) are super easy to work with: dust free, easy on/ off. D301 offers similar protection period to M26 High Tech Yellow Wax, but not as long as NxT Tech Wax 2.0 nor Ultimate Wax. The cut of D300/ microfiber cutting disc would rather place this System as a bridge between rotary buffers and dual action polishers (just like Flex 3401 with forced rotation).

      I also used DA MF Correction System with Flex 3401 and I believe that's more like a direct competition to rotary machines as a defect removal is extremely fast. Just keep in mind that it requires less down pressure and slower operating speeds due to forced rotation tool usage.

      Purple foamed wool pads and Hybrid wool pads by Lake Country offer wool-like cuts with foam-like finishing ability. They work great on rotary buffers and forced rotation dual action polishers.

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        Re: comparison of rotary to microfiber da kit--looking for experienced opinions

        So you're saying that you always do correction with a wool pad on a rotary, and then just go straight to wax? In all honesty, we would be shocked to learn that you're never leaving swirl marks in the paint with that process. A wool pad alone is a huge source for swirls in the paint due to how aggressive it is, the way it cuts, etc.

        If you're putting swirls in the paint, they won't show up later, they'll be there right away, unless you're not wiping off all the compound and therefore leaving something behind that's filling the swirls. Are you ever doing any sort of IPA wipedown after compounding and then evaluating the surface in direct sunlight or with a good swirl finder light? With the huge variety of paint systems out there we fully expect that you'd come across a car with paint that is delicate enough that it hates having a wool pad put to it.
        Michael Stoops
        Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

        Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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          Re: comparison of rotary to microfiber da kit--looking for experienced opinions

          Yes I do wipe the car down with last touch after buffing with compound, mainly to make sure there is no residue left before applying wax. And believe it or not, I really have been going straight from buffing to waxing in most instances. Obviously waxing by hand or a light polishing pad though. The fact I wipe it down is what leads me to believe I am lucky enough to not be creating swirls. I even usually pull them out of my shop into the sun to look the paint over. Again, a rotary buffer is still fairly new to me, and I practiced and (messed up a few things) before I started on customer vehicles. I really only moved to rotary due to the fact the porter cable broke, and the fact I already had a rotary here just in case. And btw Greg^^^^, would you say the foam/wool pad has less chance to create swirls when using with rotary?

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            Re: comparison of rotary to microfiber da kit--looking for experienced opinions

            btw i see no mention of using a polish after compound when using the microfiber system. can you achieve optimal results using the microfiber system without polishing before waxing?

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              Re: comparison of rotary to microfiber da kit--looking for experienced opinions

              Last touch still has the ability to hide swirls. If you really want to inspect your work properly, you should do an IPA wipedown and inspect in full, direct sunlight (preferably) or with a good swirl finder light (if direct sunlight not available).

              I too find it hard to believe that you're not leaving swirls / holograms behind with the process you've described.
              Originally posted by Blueline
              I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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                Re: comparison of rotary to microfiber da kit--looking for experienced opinions

                maybe i should more closely inspect after buffing. as i said, the most experience i see result wise on a daily basis is my own car. i know i scratched the hell out of it last week washing it, but for nearly two months after buffing with wool pad, i saw no swirling whatsoever. i do believe once the money is right i would like to move back to a da anyway. there was more vibration but was still easier on my wrists at the end of the week (carpal tunnel). not to mention the advantage of not worrying about swirls. i think if i do go to da ill certainly try the microfiber system, but i do wonder is it okay to use syn sealant 2.0 or ULW with the waxing microfiber pad instead or would they not work well with that type of pad?

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