Last Touch Detailer and UPP

[Nightwalker]

So question. If I use Last Touch as a QD will I be able to apply additional coats of UPP after using it? Any idea if there will be bonding issues?
Thanks,
Ozz

EDIT: I put FI but meant LT sorry.

Also, what is the dilution ratio?

[travisdecpn]

You shouldn't have a problem, FI does not contain any wax so UPP will still bond to the surface.

[Nightwalker]

Huh I thought that it did. Opps I meant Last Touch on the Detailer Line.
Sorry, its been a long day.
Ozz

[travisdecpn]

Last touch may, but FI is completely free of wax. I don't think it will become a huge issue, UPP has pretty decent durability, but I would look into using 4 Star's UGE since it was designed to work with UPP.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Last Touch Detailer and UPP

Originally posted by Nightwalker
So question. If I use Last Touch as a QD will I be able to apply additional coats of UPP after using it? Any idea if there will be bonding issues?
Thanks,
Ozz

Hi Nightwalker,

This questions has been asked before and I'll duplicate it below as well as include the link to it.

Quick Detailer Burning Question


Forum member SteveOsts asks...

Originally posted by SteveOst
Meguiar's has a confusing list of seemingly similar products that is very hard to sort out. So I'm coming to the horse's mouth for the definitive answer. :-)

I imagine that with your expanding line of quick detailers that for some functions it wouldn't matter which one you used. Such as claying lubricant or QD'ing over a Carnauba finish. However, what I need to know is that if you use a polymer or acrylic based synthetic finish, which one would be safe to use so that the synthetic can be reapplied? What I'm getting at is that, sure you can put any Carnauba over a synthetic, but then you have to strip it all down to reapply the synthetic again because the Carnauba would prevent the syn from bonding to the paint.

Again, which QD'r would be used to maintain a sterile surface in conjunction with polishes and paint cleaners?

My reply,

Hi Steve,

I understand your question and have seen questions like this before.

Here's what I think.

A quality wax, whether it is a natural, synthetic, or blended product will adhere to a properly prepared finish. I think to the degree that any product already on the surface would interfere with this adhering process would be nominal to the point that no one could tell the difference in a side-by-side test of a chemically cleaned surface versus a surface as you describe.

Would there be a difference? Maybe, but not enough to make a difference. This entire subject is really focusing on the minors, not the majors. Again, this applies to a quality product. The quality of some products, (read as the technology behind them), handicap them from adhering really well in the first place.

I've been detailing cars for over 15 years, (longer than some, not as long as others), I prefer to stay within one company's line of products because the chemist who make the products understand the chemistry involved with the formulas and can therefore insure compatibility. I'm a real system kind of guy, so that's what works for me.

I think a quality wax is going to adhere to the paint as long as the paint is properly prepared. If wiping the finish down with a quick detailer is part of the process, then the product should adhere.

For example:

Final Inspection is body shop safe. This means there are no ingredients in this formula that will adversely affect surface adhesion.

Last Touch contains some ingredients that are not body shop safe, this product is not recommended for use in a body shop environment. Same thing applies to Quik Detailer.

What I'm saying is, if you use a quality wax, and apply it over a car's finish after using either of these two products, a quality product is going to adhere equally well regardless of which quick detailer was used.

That said, if you want to take things to the extreme, then #34 Final Inspection would probably be the best choice as it is body shop safe.


1. What's the difference between Quik Detailer, (A-33) and Final Inspection, (M-34)?

Hope this helps...

Mike

[Nightwalker]

Originally posted by travisdecpn
Last touch may, but FI is completely free of wax. I don't think it will become a huge issue, UPP has pretty decent durability, but I would look into using 4 Star's UGE since it was designed to work with UPP.

I know but I go through a lot of QD in the summer and this is a more cost effective measure. I will either add layer after layer of UPP or #16.

Mike thanks for the detailed response.

[Nightwalker]

And I would love to stay in the Megs line but IMO there is not a Megs product that matches UPP.

[travisdecpn]

Yeah, UPP is fairly unique in it's ability to sheet water.

[Mike Phillips]

I have UPP and have tested it on black paint which is the true test of all products for appearance results. UPP will not produce a deeper, more reflective or richer looking finish. So I guess it just comes down to personal preference and what you're looking for in results.

[SpoiledMan]

If I were looking forward to adding more layers of UPP, I would use #34. Last Touch is a wonderful product to have around and I'm on my second gallon in the last 12 months. It makes a good spray for touch ups after a wash.

[travisdecpn]

Man, you guys go through your detail sprays. At least it isn't as bad as the guy that was going through 20 oz on a single car per application. If you are using more than 2 oz, you're going to go through a gallon quite quickly.

[SpoiledMan]

I detail a lot more than what's in my driveway.

[Nightwalker]

Originally posted by SpoiledMan
I detail a lot more than what's in my driveway.

Exactly, and I have a lot of customers that have light cars. The Vanilla Moose / UPP is an amazing crowd pleaser.

[travisdecpn]

Originally posted by SpoiledMan
I detail a lot more than what's in my driveway.

Ah, I see. I'm more of a weekend warrior.

[Lt1Corvette]

Do you guys mix Last touch with h20 when using for a detailing spray?