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    #80, 82, 83, 20?

    First off, here's my baby


    I'll post a pic tomorrow of the swirls you're about to hear about! My current position on the globe hides me from the sun, so I need to wait for a global readjustment (you know...sunrise).

    So I got it home from the dealership (certified pre-owned) and it had the DISO's all over. What I did is as follows:

    Washed with Gold Class shampoo/conditioner (w/chenelle mitt)
    Clayed w/QD as lubricant
    ScratchX (actually didn't read correctly and only used once, rather than multiple applications)
    NXT Generation Tech Wax

    So the swirls are still there, but not as badly. What I'm thinking of doing is as follows:
    washing with Dawn to strip all prior protection off
    Clay bar
    Scratch X
    #80, 82, 83, or 20
    NXT Tech Wax x 2

    My question lies in the bold products. Which should I use: 80, 82, 83, or 20?

    My problem is that I don't have a rotary or orbital wax-applying/removing/buffing device, nor care to purchase one. So I need something which is able to be applied comprehensively and effectively by hand.

    Also, should I stick with the Gold Class car wash or go with something harsh and remove prior protectants?

    Thanks for the help!

    Expect my swirls pic around 10AM PST at the latest!
    Last edited by SingingSabre; Feb 8, 2005, 12:53 AM.
    "Son, crying in your milk is bad enough; crying in your hot fudge sundae is just disgusting."
    R.A. Heinlein
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  • #2
    First, Welcome to Meguiar's online.

    Second, What type of swirl are talking about? Buffer swirl? Cobweb swirl?

    Third, since you are working by hand I would do another application of Scratch X followed by #80 and then NXT.

    Fourth, you should not need to do a dawn wash since Scratch X and #80 will remove the prior protection, since both will clean the paint and contain diminishing abrasives. Also, check out the thread on Remove defects by hand using Scratch X.

    Good luck and let us know what you end up doing and the how things turn out.

    Eric
    Talk it over folks. Communication is the key.

    --Jerry Springer

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Teak
      First, Welcome to Meguiar's online.

      Second, What type of swirl are talking about? Buffer swirl? Cobweb swirl?


      Thanks for the welcome!

      I believe they're cobweb swirls...whatever they are, they're the kind which radiate out in a ripple pattern from sunlight.


      Third, since you are working by hand I would do another application of Scratch X followed by #80 and then NXT.

      So you recommend the #80? Cool. Scratch X is on the list, too.

      Fourth, you should not need to do a dawn wash since Scratch X and #80 will remove the prior protection, since both will clean the paint and contain diminishing abrasives. Also, check out the thread on Remove defects by hand using Scratch X.

      I read that thread and just wanted more information, thanks.

      I'm glad to see I won't need to deal with a harsh cleaner.

      Good luck and let us know what you end up doing and the how things turn out.

      Eric

      Thanks and I will!
      "Son, crying in your milk is bad enough; crying in your hot fudge sundae is just disgusting."
      R.A. Heinlein

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      • #4
        You cannot remove those cobweb swirls by "hand" using the #80 or #83 or #82. You won't brake the abrasives and they won't perform their job. It's a waste of effort.

        If you want to remove those cobweb swirls by hand, you have to work ScratchX as Mike instructed in that thread, and it's a little PITA to do whole car. That's your only alternative if you don't wanna buy a PC or rotary. Hand-application but more effort. and you will only be able to remove 98% of the swirls.

        NXT x 2 will take care of the remaining 2%. (will hide them)
        I wash and wash my car until the whole thing disappeared!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tripper_11
          You cannot remove those cobweb swirls by "hand" using the #80 or #83 or #82. You won't brake the abrasives and they won't perform their job. It's a waste of effort.

          If you want to remove those cobweb swirls by hand, you have to work ScratchX as Mike instructed in that thread, and it's a little PITA to do whole car. That's your only alternative if you don't wanna buy a PC or rotary. Hand-application but more effort. and you will only be able to remove 98% of the swirls.

          NXT x 2 will take care of the remaining 2%. (will hide them)
          Well, I am willing to take that time and effort. Also, I realize that I can't get rid of them 100%.

          ScratchX is going to be done, of course...I just wanted that extra step of a polish and wanted to know the most effective for my purposes.

          As promised, here's my swirly pic!


          Don't mind that scratch there, either. I know I can't do too much...
          Last edited by SingingSabre; Feb 8, 2005, 10:50 AM.
          "Son, crying in your milk is bad enough; crying in your hot fudge sundae is just disgusting."
          R.A. Heinlein

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          • #6
            When #80 speed glaze is used with the PC it breaks down well and very fast. As with any liquid abrasive the application material and speed will effect the agressiveness of the liquid abrasive. Speed glaze also breaks down well when worked by hand. In both instances #80 speed glaze leaves a surface which is ready to waxed.

            I believe scratch X is more agressive than #80 speed glaze when applied by hand, due to the type of diminishing abrasives each uses. For the ultimate shine or perfect surface, a couple paint polishing sufaces might be needed.

            Another plan would be:
            Wash
            Clay
            Scratch X
            #80
            #82 or #9
            NXT

            One caveat, since you plan on doing this by hand I would work until my hands and arms become tired and take a break or complete one step a day. In the end you might have arms like Popeyes.


            Eric
            Talk it over folks. Communication is the key.

            --Jerry Springer

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            • #7
              After working on with ScratchX, #80 will be a good follow up even by hand. But I don't mean it will remove the remaining cobwebs. However, #80 will leave a unique "polymer" look.

              As posted in my review at Autopia:

              Page not found
              http://autopia.org/review/censura.php?cmd=details&itemid=375


              I've given emphasis on the unique look that #80 leaves on the finish. Unique in the sense that it gives more of a polymer solid look which adds richness to the paint (ulike the other polishes, #83, #82, #81 which leaves oil-wet look).

              After #80, NXT x 2 will take care of any remaining minor defects (i prefer not to top #80 with a pure polish such as #7 or #81, since I'm satisfied with the looks of it, thus I go directly to NXT or #26).

              Hope this helps!
              I wash and wash my car until the whole thing disappeared!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Teak
                I believe scratch X is more agressive than #80 speed glaze when applied by hand, due to the type of diminishing abrasives each uses. For the ultimate shine or perfect surface, a couple paint polishing sufaces might be needed.

                Another plan would be:
                Wash
                Clay
                Scratch X
                #80
                #82 or #9
                NXT

                One caveat, since you plan on doing this by hand I would work until my hands and arms become tired and take a break or complete one step a day. In the end you might have arms like Popeyes.

                Eric
                Eric. My plan is basically what you outlined minus the #82 or #9.

                I'm a massage therapist...so I already have arms looking like Popeye's.

                My intention with the ScratchX is to get rid of the majority of the swirls, the #80 is to help with the remainder some, but mostly to just give it a nice polish.

                I'm picking up the #80 tomorrow morning...I'll make a new thread with my car's status and post a link to it here!

                Originally posted by tripper_11
                After working on with ScratchX, #80 will be a good follow up even by hand. But I don't mean it will remove the remaining cobwebs. However, #80 will leave a unique "polymer" look.

                As posted in my review at Autopia:

                Page not found
                http://autopia.org/review/censura.php?cmd=details&itemid=375


                I've given emphasis on the unique look that #80 leaves on the finish. Unique in the sense that it gives more of a polymer solid look which adds richness to the paint (ulike the other polishes, #83, #82, #81 which leaves oil-wet look).

                After #80, NXT x 2 will take care of any remaining minor defects (i prefer not to top #80 with a pure polish such as #7 or #81, since I'm satisfied with the looks of it, thus I go directly to NXT or #26).

                Hope this helps!
                Thanks! Everything you described is actually why I decided upon the products to use. I'm looking forward to that polymer look combined with the slickness look of NXT...

                I'll keep ya'll posted! Thanks for your help.

                --Eddie
                "Son, crying in your milk is bad enough; crying in your hot fudge sundae is just disgusting."
                R.A. Heinlein

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SingingSabre
                  I'm a massage therapist...so I already have arms looking like Popeye's.
                  Well I guess your arms hands will not become tired either.

                  Good luck with the project.

                  Eric
                  Talk it over folks. Communication is the key.

                  --Jerry Springer

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                  • #10
                    Done!

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                    • #11
                      Top that red with 26 you will love it.
                      2001 ws6 Trans am
                      (Blackbird edition #19)
                      433rwhp
                      409rwt

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