#9 or #80 by hand

[bluemoon]

This fall I applied #9 2.0 by hand to a couple of cars to clean and polish in one step and followed with either NXT or #20 and was happy with the results. But after seeing some of the results people have been getting using #80 I have been tempted to order some. I was curious if anyone has used #9 and #80 by hand, and if so, is thier any noticeable differance between the two when applied by hand (I realize when applied by machine thier is)? And if so what was the differance? ie more cleaning power, swirl reducing, appearance etc. If thier is not much of a differance, I think I will just order some more #16 instead, really like the results of NXT or #20 topped with #16. Thanks for the help.

[Tim Lingor]

Hey,

Meguiar's #80 Speed Glaze is more aggressive than #9. Also, #80 has a healthy dose of TS Oils and a paintable polymer. As such, if #9 does not remove the defect, you should move up to #80. Either one can be used by hand!! I have spent a lot of time using #80 and just love the stuff!

Tim

[Airborne Ranger]

Yep, what 2hotford said. You can use #9 by hand piece of cake since it's barely even abrasive, if at all for that matter. #80 since it is abrasive and from some reviews on here I've read that it can be used all 3 ways, weather it be hand, DA polisher or rotary. IMO, abrasive products like that, I like to use machine power to get the full benefit from them, but that's just me,,,,,AR

[RamAirV1]

I just used #80 with my PC this past weekend and was very impressed with it. It is good at removing swirls and leaves a very glossy finish. You don't really need to use the #81 Hand Polish after using #80 plus it saves one extra step. It works very well by hand too.

I highly recommend #80. You will see a big difference between it and #9 in terms of swirl removal.

RamAirV1

[bluemoon]

Thanks for the advice I will assume that a person does not want to use a cleaner/polish evertime you "wax". So I was wondering, after claying using either #9 or #80 followed by #20 and #16, in a few months when it is time to rewax, can a person use #81 followed by #20 and #16? Or will thier be some kind of incombatability with these products?
Thanks again

[RamAirV1]

That's one of the advantages of Meguiar's products. They are all compatible with each other.

You could use a cleaner polish every time you wax, if you wanted to. Whether you need to depends on how many contaminants you swirls you pick up.

RamAirV1

[bluemoon]

Thanks for the help.

[305Cummins]

Does #80 contain fillers? I've had much, much better results in reduction in scratches and swirls using #80 then I've ever had using #9 or Scratch X. In the case of #9, #80 is only one step higher in abrasiveness, per the bottle scale. I even get better results from #80 by hand then I get using a PC with #9. Or is #80 actually much more abrasive then #9 and Scratch X?

[RamAirV1]

All of those products have fillers in them. #80 is quite a bit more aggressive than either #9 or Scratch X. #80 is also slightly more aggressive than #82.

RamAirV1

[305Cummins]

I thought Scratch X was supposed to be more abrasive than #80; is this incorrect?

Will #80 be less aggressive using W9006 than with W8006?

Are the apparent results from #80 due more to the abrasives or the fillers?

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by 305Cummins
I thought Scratch X was supposed to be more abrasive than #80; is this incorrect?

ScratchX is more aggressive than #80 Speed Glaze when applied by hand, (different kinds of diminishing abrasives). ScratchX is formulated for use by hand.

#80 Speed Glaze can be more aggressive than ScratchX when applied by machine, but it depends on the pad material and the tool used.

Mike

[scrub]

Originally posted by 305Cummins
Will #80 be less aggressive using W9006 than with W8006?

Yes #80 would be less aggressive using the W9006 finishing pad than using the W8006 polishing pad.

Originally posted by 305Cummins
Are the apparent results from #80 due more to the abrasives or the fillers?

I too had this concern, am I filling or fixing. After using this product for several details I'd say the defects were removed rather than filled. A quick test to verify this would be to make a 50/50 mix of isopropyl alcohol and water in a spray bottle. Spray this mix on the freshly polished surface where the defect was. Then wipe the mix off to remove the fillers that were left behind. This will allow you to check your work. The defect should be reduced or gone. It might take a few passes with this polish depending on severity of the defect. I was amazed at the results after this test. Be sure to apply more polish to the 50/50 mix sprayed area and then continue with the rest of your procedure.

Good luck

[RamAirV1]

What would be cool is a list that ranks all of Meguiar's cleaners, cleaner/polishes, and cleaner/waxes from most to least aggressive.

RamAirV1

[jetta18T]

I just ordered a bottle of #80 when I ordered my PC the other day but I'm concerned if it's going to be too strong. I was going to use it to remove swirls off of a green bmw but am not sure if #9 would be better, especially when using the PC. The swirls are somewhat minor. Nothing too bad. Any ideas?? I'm just trying to use the least aggressive product possible here...

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by jetta18T
I just ordered a bottle of #80 when I ordered my PC the other day but I'm concerned if it's going to be too strong. I was going to use it to remove swirls off of a green BMW but am not sure if #9 would be better, especially when using the PC. The swirls are somewhat minor. Nothing too bad. Any ideas?? I'm just trying to use the least aggressive product possible here...

Go with the #80 Speed Glaze. Like the #9 and the #82 it is very gentle cleaner/polish. The dual action polisher is very gentle to the finish and for light swirl removal it's pretty hard to beat the #80 Speed Glaze.

Meguiar's does teach to always use the least aggressive product to get the job done, but modern clear coats are hard compared to traditional non-clear coat finishes and the #9 is a very, very gentle cleaner/polish. If anything, order the #9 with the order for the #80 and that way you'll have two tools in your tool box to draw from in the future.

Mike