Problem ith M81

[Marc08EX]

Hi Guys!

I'm was detailing our car this morning and the plan of attack was to wash it, clay it, M81 and then NXT. However, my M81 had other plans... I was planning on applying the polish at each panel then remove the residue right away. Here's the problem... As I was removing it, the polish was just so damn hard! It felt like it didn't want to come off... I've used M81 before and I've never had this problem... It was like butter when I tried removing it before. What I had to do was spray last touch to the entire panel and wipe the panel off.

Here are my questions:
1) Is M81 supposed to dry like that? It's to a point where it's really hard to remove.
2) I used last touch to remove the hard polish residue. Would I have wasted my application of M81 or would it still have an effect on the paint?
3) Is this bad for the car's paint? Maybe the polish is already bad and might be causing damage, no?

Thanks for the input guys! All help will be appreciated!

[yalerd]

Re: Problem ith M81

How big is the section you are working?

[onawrxhigh]

Re: Problem ith M81

Hi Guys!

I'm was detailing our car this morning and the plan of attack was to wash it, clay it, M81 and then NXT. However, my M81 had other plans... I was planning on applying the polish at each panel then remove the residue right away. Here's the problem... As I was removing it, the polish was just so damn hard! It felt like it didn't want to come off... I've used M81 before and I've never had this problem... It was like butter when I tried removing it before. What I had to do was spray last touch to the entire panel and wipe the panel off.

Here are my questions:
1) Is M81 supposed to dry like that? It's to a point where it's really hard to remove.
2) I used last touch to remove the hard polish residue. Would I have wasted my application of M81 or would it still have an effect on the paint?
3) Is this bad for the car's paint? Maybe the polish is already bad and might be causing damage, no?

Thanks for the input guys! All help will be appreciated!

Bri,

M81 is not supposed to dry. All polishes are meant to be removed wet. If you apply it to an overly large area it may start to fully dry and become a pain to remove. Here are a few questions for you.

1) how large of an area were you working on?
2) was the paint cool to the touch?
3) did you fully remove all contaminants while claying?
4) how much humidity, how hot was it out?
5) was the car detailed outside in the shade or in the garage?
6) what color vehicle?
7) are you working by hand or machine?

I have used QD'd in the past to help remove residue with no noticable loss of the final effects of the pruduct used to polish the paint with. There should be no damage being done to the paint from a possible bad product. The only damage may be micro marring that was possibly instilled into the paint from having to rub/buff the 81 off.

When I use 81 I will do only one panel at a time and make sure I remove the residue while it is still wet. I like to apply 81 on a 9006 finishing pad with the g-100 on speed 3 this allows it to be worked into the paint and leave a thin layer/residue on the paint to be easily remove. You could have apllied it to thick it you were working by hand. High Humidity from my experience has make 81 and other polishes harder to remove for me in the past.

Andrew

[Sydster]

Re: Problem ith M81

Its either you have a dirty contaminated surface or you are working it in too long, but that's just me. Did you shake the bottle well before using the product?

[Marc08EX]

Re: Problem ith M81

Bri,


1) how large of an area were you working on?
2) was the paint cool to the touch?
3) did you fully remove all contaminants while claying?
4) how much humidity, how hot was it out?
5) was the car detailed outside in the shade or in the garage?
6) what color vehicle?
7) are you working by hand or machine?

Andrew and everyone,

Thanks for the responses. To answer your questions:

1) I apply it a panel at a time (i.e. front driver door apply then remove, rear driver door apply then remove, driver side rear quarter panel apply then remove, etc)
2) Paint was cool to touch. Was working inside the garage.
3) Yes. I clayed the surface. The car is only 2 weeks old.
4) Probably low humidity. It's around 107-110 outside. It's the valley of the sun! hahaha!
5) Garage.
6) Silver.
7) Apply using G-100 and a W8006 pad.

I thought I was working the product way too long right? So what I did was work around 1/3 of a panel and quickly remove it. It's still dry as heck. So I think I may have bad product or the hot temp is quickly drying out the product. Another problem is that the M81 I have is over 4 years old. could this be a factor?

It doesn't seem that I damaged the paint but I hope I didn't induce marring...

Thanks for the responses guys!

[Marc08EX]

Re: Problem ith M81

Its either you have a dirty contaminated surface or you are working it in too long, but that's just me. Did you shake the bottle well before using the product?

Yes I did shake the bottle well. In fact, as I was hitting the bottle on my palm, the plastic on the side of the bottle broke (like a chip making it leak slowly). This is another sign that the plastic bottle is too old causing it to be brittle.

[RacerX88]

Re: Problem ith M81

I bet it's too hot. I remember a post by Mike P. stating the workable range for Megs. I'll try and find the thread. But, if I recall correctly it wasn't much above 80? The other thing is that at that temp and those above the range the chemicals don't have much time to sit and work on the paint.

Maybe you need to work a smaller area?

[Sydster]

Re: Problem ith M81

Try applying by hand, that should do the trick.

[Markus Kleis]

Re: Problem ith M81

Doing an entire panel is definitely WAY too much real estate to cover at a time.

Cut back to 1.5 feet by 1.5 feet and go from there, topping out around 2x2. This should be MUCH more manageable and then you can really focus on the trouble spots more closely. Also, it helps to reduce possible back tracking should a particular panel act up for one reason or another.

*Oh, and if a little does dry...using either straight or 50/50 Last Touch to remove it is totally fine. No harm, no foul.

[yalerd]

Re: Problem ith M81

I apply it a panel at a time (i.e. front driver door apply then remove, rear driver door apply then remove, driver side rear quarter panel apply then remove, etc)

A panel of a time it's too much.
You should shrink your work area. Give this a try and come back

[Nappers]

Re: Problem ith M81

by hand, 12X12 area will do good, seems tedious and think it will take forever to do a car, but in the end, you'll do more work than if you just did smaller areas. Same with the DA!

Keep us up to date

[Marc08EX]

Re: Problem ith M81

Thanks for the responses guys!! I will definitely report back! I still have to polish my front fenders, hood and bumpers... I'm waiting for the clear bra to come in and after installing that, I will polish and wax the whole front end.

Ahhh.. Maybe the temperature is also why any Meg's products dry up really quickly as I try to spread them around before turning the machine on. Unlike some videos I've seen where they can spread a small amount of product over the entire work section. LOL! And yeah, it was damn hot! hahaha!

[Nappers]

Re: Problem ith M81

keep at it, if I CAN do it, anyone can. LOL.

I found some of the non easyup brand of canopys at Walmart for less than a hundred bucks, seen a few put up and they seem sturdy, 10X10 I think.....I may buy one soon. For shade that is.

L8R

Aaron