Benefit of #26 and #16?

[Orca]

Hi guys - I wonder ... what is the benefit of using #26 and then #16 as opposed to just one or the other? Since picking up a tin of #16, I intend to do this having read many many times people following up their glaze step (say, #7) with #26 and then #16. So ... why do this?

One other question kind of related ... I maintain regularly with #135. Can another layer of #16 be applied after a few uses of #135?

[Orca]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

Hi guys ... sorry to push this (I hope it's okay to do so). Can anyone comment?
There must be a few people here who do this ... what are your experiences?

[PorscheGuy997]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

Some people like to top #26 with #16 to get the protection and durability of #16. #26 darkens the paint, so you get the benefits of both.

I'm not sure why they would do this, but the correct order should be #7, #26, then #16. I wouldn't apply a coat of glaze in between coats of wax.

There is nothing wrong with applying a protectant after using M135 or UQD.

[Orca]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

Thanks for the reply ... so ... #26 helps darken the paint? That sounds like just the right thing for my black car. I've yet to try #26 on top of #7, having used a recently acquired bottle of #7 as a very last step (just for fun) and really liked it ... it doesn't last on top of a wax, but it does give a great depth of black!

I have #7, #26 and now #16 in my repertoire ... I just didn't want to waste my time and product stripping back to bare paint, applying #7 just to lose it all under two products of wax.

So, I suppose #7 and #26 are a good combination and #16 is for a durable protecting finish? Okay ... I get that ... thanks for the reply.

Anyone else? Black cars, especially ...

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

The real key to getting a black car to look like it has been covered in crude oil - that insanely deep, wet look - is to properly prep the surface. That means wash to remove the loose contaminants, clay it to remove the bonded surface contaminants, then use a paint cleaner to eliminate any below surface defects. Gloss comes from reflection, reflection comes from a flat surface. A surface full of bonded junk and loaded with swirls isn't what we call "flat". Obtain a flat surface and you're well over 90% toward your ultimate goal. At that point when you apply M07 Show Car Glaze you're doing that extra beauty step, and then it really comes down to which carnauba you prefer - M26 or M16. Using one on top of the other is purely a personal preference. Personal preferences are good though - NXT 2.0 topped with M26 looks great on black paint, so does M20 topped with M16. If you look at many of the black cars detailed by Joe at Superior Shine you'll get an idea of what M20 by itself can look like.

Bottom line - prep.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

#7 and #26 is a very popular comb that's been popular for decades, so there's lots of people that are very happy with the results from these two products.

Applying M16 over M26 may actually diminish some of the darkening results from the M26, so before you do this just to find out your spinning your wheels, give this thread a read and then test you choice of topper like the article recommends.

Topping NXT aka "How to top one type of wax with a different type of wax


Forget the title is about NXT because the idea behind what's written will apply to topping any wax with a different wax.



Then, come back and post an update with what you see in your results...

Thanks,

[Orca]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

Thanks for that Mike - okay, so I'll do a side by side comparison on two thin layers of #26. TBH, it is durability that I am looking for as well as deep shine. My cars are parked on a main road which sees literally hundreds of cars an hour pass, throwing up dust. I think I probably need to give NXT wax another try since version 2.0 is so well regarded - I just didn't get on at all with the original version.

[Dier]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

#26 on my black cars look amazing without putting anything on before or after a coat of it. I am very happy with #26 that I dont see any reason for anything else as this point. #26 does seem to deepen or richen a color up...any color! White looks like a clean white and blue looks really blue. A friend complained that #26 made his car look like it was just simple stating that it was a white car but a super clean white car and it did not have the pop as it once did when I used NXT on it....got to visit his car soon and make him happy with some NXT. The Evo X that I just finished this past weekend looked amazing with just #26, but I added a nice thin coat of NXT 2.0 so that he could blind people with his new car.

I enjoy a rich color of a car, but I also do enjoy a car when the paint just pops out at you, so it boils down to a personal choice IMHO.

[Orca]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

That's awesome - thanks Dier. I was wondering how to work in the new NXT wax and whether it would be happy with my existing Meg's products which are all from the Mirror Glaze professional line.

Okay, so #26 adds a real depth to the finish, especially so on black and seems to make white pop out. That'll do for both my cars, then. I suppose the question really was around whether #26 and #16 was perhaps overkill on the wax and whether #16 would take anything away from the finish. I'll get hold of some NXT 2.0 wax and see how I like them side by side and on top of #7.

My plan ... divide the boot/trunk into four. It's a nice area just larger than 2'x1'. Wash and put #7 on the middle two sections, giving me an area 1'x1' in the centre of the boot/trunk. I'll then do the whole boot/truck in #26 and then the left-hand two with #16 and the right-hand two with NXT 2.0 - this will give me a section with #7, #26 & #16 as well as #7, #26 and NXT 2.0. I will also have another couple of sections of #26 & #16 and #26 & NXT 2.0.

Hopefully, I'll get around to that in the not too distant future and report back, just for fun. I'll also get to see which finish I prefer for the black car ... more testing to do on my white car, too, which presently I'm quite happy with a range from another manufacturer, but curiosity is getting the better of me.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

so it boils down to a personal choice IMHO.

That's the answer we always post...


"Find something you like and use it often"

If you like it, then you obviously like how it applies and removes and it looks good in your eyes, if you use it often your car's paint will always look new because it's only when paint is neglected that it goes down hill.


That's why most of the wax wars on other forums are so silly... everyone sees things just a little different, everyone has different ideas about what's good and what's great...

We've seen people post they hate Gold Class, then the next day someone posts they love Gold Class? Go figure. My dad likes Fords, I'm not sure what's wrong with him as we all know Chevrolet's are the best.

If we all thought the same there would be one wax on the market, heck there would be only one car on the market...

(Probably a 1975 Jimmy)



Sporting a coat of ColorX... a cleaner/wax under $9.00 that will produce great results on just about anything...

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

One thing for sure, no one can have an opinion that counts until they push away from the keyboard and go out into the garage and do something.... Like Nike's slogan... Just do it

Too often on discussion forums, people talk a subject to death wondering about and asking about all kinds of hypotheticals... instead, lay down some coin and walk the talk... then after you've actually used a few products on a few cars and have some real-world experience with the products you were wondering about... now belly up to the keyboard and wax eloquent...

[Dier]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

That's the answer we always post...


"Find something you like and use it often"

If you like it, then you obviously like how it applies and removes and it looks good in your eyes, if you use it often your car's paint will always look new because it's only when paint is neglected that it goes down hill.


That's why most of the wax wars on other forums are so silly... everyone sees things just a little different, everyone has different ideas about what's good and what's great...

We've seen people post they hate Gold Class, then the next day someone posts they love Gold Class? Go figure. My dad likes Fords, I'm not sure what's wrong with him as we all know Chevrolet's are the best.

If we all thought the same there would be one wax on the market, heck there would be only one car on the market...

(Probably a 1975 Jimmy)



Sporting a coat of ColorX... a cleaner/wax under $9.00 that will produce great results on just about anything...

LOL...maybe you should test drive a Terminator ... Chevy's are for older gents and Fords for the young at heart.

J/K... agreed, sort of lame to argue in regards with peoples opinions and id also agree that you should try the products out and make your own opinion. The WWW forums has lots of bad info out there, but at least meguiarsonline I have not run into any. Almost all products offered have been worth the $$$ spent and they work!

[Orca]

Re: Benefit of #26 and #16?

You're exactly right, Mike. I love experimenting with finishing products. Our black car is in great condition and it's just so much fun trying out glazes, sealants and waxes. To give good advice, you really must have tried out the products and give your experiences. It's also helpful to admit if you're a beginner or a seasoned professional ... I'm a beginner, really.

I've been a member of a large Detailing forum for quite a while now and got really fed up of reading the same regurgitated stuff from the same people who I know are just re-telling what they've read. If I do that, I always say, "I have read that ..." and invite comment from people who have actually tried the product. I am a very happy member of a forum attached to my favourite online reseller and we have a really good (quite local) community there with people actually trying out stuff they buy in the shop and posting their experiences. It's quite easy to point to someone's thread there in answer to someone's question posed there.

That shop doesn't sell (much) Meguiars stuff, but I'm working on it and hope he will start to stock a good quantity of the popular items. That's why I've come here - straight to the horse's mouth, so to speak.

As always, your advice has been straight to the point and I've had some great advice from others posting up their experiences. In this case, I wondered what the benefit of two products which on the face of it appear to be quite similar - waxes. I've got my answer ... to summarise, #26 will deepen, but was not designed to bead and #16 will give longevity (and beading, for those of us who live in rainy old England ). I take it that advice stand for both #26 liquid and paste wax products? I have the #26 liquid wax and a tin of #16 paste wax.