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I bought the listed items:

#80
#21
#40
#9
#20
#62

What are the steps to make the car look good.

[Murr1525]

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You might want to read these links to get a good feel for the process, and what each step does.

Plus, are you working by hand or machine? What type of machine?

Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle
Step 1 Wash
Step 2 Clean
Step 3 Polish
Step 4 Protect
Step 5 Maintain

Suggested Products for Taking Care of a New Car

What it Means to Remove a Scratch

How To Remove Swirls By Hand

How to remove a defect by hand with ScratchX

Rotary vs. PC vs. Regular Orbital Buffer

Recommended Products - G100a Dual Action Polisher

Using the G-100 to remove swirls with the Professional Line

1986 Ford Bronco II - Extreme Makeover

Each one, teach one... Ferrari Fiorano 355 F1 Spider

I suppose in general for those products, it would be:

1. Wash - #62 Shampoo and Conditioner, two bucket method, with Grit Guards.
2. Clay
3. Clean/Polish - #80 and/or #9, depending on the situation.
4. Wax - 2 coats of #20 or #21.
5. Dress interior/exterior plastic and rubber with #40.

[Mike Phillips]

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I bought the listed items:

#80
#21
#40
#9
#20
#62

What are the steps to make the car look good.

How are you applying the paint care items?

Hand?
DA Polisher?
Traditional Orbital Buffer?
Rotary Buffer?
Something else?


What are you working on? What condition is the paint in?

In most cases, with the products you listed you would,

Wash with M62 Car Wash Shampoo and Conditioner
Clay the car after washing and drying if it has bonded contaminants
Remove the swirls with the M80 Speed Glaze, usually with a machine.
Apply a coat of wax, either the M20 or the M21, they are both paint protectants so you really only need to apply one of them, you can apply two coats of the one you choose if you like

Use the M40 on anything that's rubber or vinyl like the tires and the seats or dash or arm rests if they are plastic or vinyl.

[JT-Auto-Detailing]

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I'm using a porter cable, also what is better #20 or #21, whats the differnts between the two.

[Mike Phillips]

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M20 is a light cleaner/wax, it works very well to remove light oxidation and other light surface stains and defects and leaves behind a slick, clear shiny finish.

M21 is a paint sealant we introduced in the fall of 2004, it's not a cleaner/wax like you would think of a normal cleaner/wax and should only be used on paint that is in excellent condition.

New M21 Synthetic Paint Sealant

It was reformulated to include our new Hydrophobic Polymer Technology™

M21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0 - Formula Update





p.s.

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22272

[Mike Phillips]

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I'm using a porter cable, also what is better #20 or #21, whats the differnts between the two.

Left this out,

With the M20 you could apply this to a lightly neglected finish after claying if it needs claying using a W-8006 Polishing pad on the PC using the 4.0 to 5.0 speed setting and it will do a pretty good job of restoring the appearance just by itself, that is used as a one-step cleaner/wax.

With the M21 you could apply it with either the W-8006 Polishing Pad or with the W-9006 Finishing pad using the PC on about the 3.0 to 4.0 speed setting but as your LSP, (Last Step Product), this means either the paint is new or in like new condition or you have previously cleaned and polished the paint a now it's ready to wax.

For both waxes, after applying you would let them completely dry and then remove.

[JT-Auto-Detailing]

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What wax should I be using? What pads are these, I'm using a porter cable, what pads do I need to buy.

Also how do you know if your car is ready for M21

Left this out,

With the M20 you could apply this to a lightly neglected finish after claying if it needs claying using a W-8006 Polishing pad on the PC using the 4.0 to 5.0 speed setting and it will do a pretty good job of restoring the appearance just by itself, that is used as a one-step cleaner/wax.

With the M21 you could apply it with either the W-8006 Polishing Pad or with the W-9006 Finishing pad using the PC on about the 3.0 to 4.0 speed setting but as your LSP, (Last Step Product), this means either the paint is new or in like new condition or you have previously cleaned and polished the paint a now it's ready to wax.

For both waxes, after applying you would let them completely dry and then remove.

[Mike Phillips]

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What wax should I be using? What pads are these, I'm using a porter cable, what pads do I need to buy.

You want to stock up on W-8006 polishing pads, you can apply more paint care products with these. You'll also want a few W-9006 Finishing pads for applying wax to your best work projects.

W-8006 Polishing Pad
W-9006 Finishing Pad

Check out this thread
Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle

and this thread, (G100 is the same thing as a PC)
Using the G-100 to remove swirls with the Professional Line

Also how do you know if your car is ready for M21

The paint should be clean and smooth and as defect free as you can make it. For example someone brings you car that needs to be clayed and have the swirls removed, this is not when you would apply M21

After you wash the car, clay the paint and remove the swirls, now you can apply M21

Invest some time reading these two forums...

Have Questions? Looking for Answers?
So much good, practical and helpful information in these two forums
Hot Topics
How To Articles

[JT-Auto-Detailing]

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Those pads you speak of, will they work with my porter cable?

Also this is how I am picking up what your telling me. After you answer I am going to read the topics.

Wash, clay bar, swirl remove, polish, wax; now what wax should I be using.

Also when I apply the swirl removing product do I let it dry or do I swirl it around then work it in.

You want to stock up on W-8006 polishing pads, you can apply more paint care products with these. You'll also want a few W-9006 Finishing pads for applying wax to your best work projects.

W-8006 Polishing Pad
W-9006 Finishing Pad

Check out this thread
Meguiar's 5-Step Paint Care Cycle

and this thread, (G100 is the same thing as a PC)
Using the G-100 to remove swirls with the Professional Line






The paint should be clean and smooth and as defect free as you can make it. For example someone brings you car that needs to be clayed and have the swirls removed, this is not when you would apply M21

After you wash the car, clay the paint and remove the swirls, now you can apply M21

Invest some time reading these two forums...

Have Questions? Looking for Answers?
So much good, practical and helpful information in these two forums
Hot Topics
How To Articles

[Mike Phillips]

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Those pads you speak of, will they work with my porter cable?

Umm.... yes. One of the links we posted will make this very clear when you read it.

Also this is how I am picking up what your telling me. After you answer I am going to read the topics.

Wash, clay bar, swirl remove, polish, wax; now what wax should I be using.

AT this point technically you can use any wax, if you want a wax that will showcase your work the best and give your customer the best quality of protection, go with the M21 out of the 2 waxes you listed, (M21 and M20)

Also when I apply the swirl removing product do I let it dry or do I swirl it around then work it in.

We included a link to "Hot Topics", from the questions you're asking we can tell you're new to machine polishing which is perfectly okay as we were all new to detailing at one time.

Please read through a the "Hot Topics" forum and the "How To Articles" forum and you will find topics that interest you and you can learn from them.

Here's another thread/article from Hot Topics

Which products need to dry before removing?

[JT-Auto-Detailing]

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One question it said to use #20 or #21 after swirl removing the paint. Then it said to use Generation wax after the #21 or #20, which is it; is the #21 or #20 a wax or a polish or both. I've looked over the post and a lot of helpfull tips.

I need to ask a few questions, I understand better when I get it in shorter peices not so long dragged out posts.

If you could sum all of that up for me in a quick line that be helpfull. I'm just not that type of learner with a lot of text.

Any how this is what I understood so far.

Wash the car / dry the car
Clay bar the car
Swirl remove the car, do it in a 1foot area. Make sure the area is nice and small. Put it on in thick or light coat?
Work it into the paint till the haze look is all gone. Take the micro fiber wrag and remove the left over.
What pad do I use for the swirl remover

Then after the car has been swirl removed, I would take the #21 and I would apply 15-20 pounds of preasure just like I did with swirl remover. I'll work it into the paint like I did with the swirl remover.

Once #21 has been worked in I would bring out the wax, this is where I am lost, what wax.

What # will I use to work the polish & swirl remover in. I think it said use 11pounds at 3speed to work the wax in. Just make it a little easier for me to understand, sorry I'm not a good learner when reading long text. I learn better watching / hands on.

Umm.... yes. One of the links we posted will make this very clear when you read it.



AT this point technically you can use any wax, if you want a wax that will showcase your work the best and give your customer the best quality of protection, go with the M21 out of the 2 waxes you listed, (M21 and M20)




We included a link to "Hot Topics", from the questions you're asking we can tell you're new to machine polishing which is perfectly okay as we were all new to detailing at one time.

Please read through a the "Hot Topics" forum and the "How To Articles" forum and you will find topics that interest you and you can learn from them.

Here's another thread/article from Hot Topics

Which products need to dry before removing?

[Derrick]

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One question it said to use #20 or #21 after swirl removing the paint. Then it said to use Generation wax after the #21 or #20, which is it; is the #21 or #20 a wax or a polish or both. I've looked over the post and a lot of helpfull tips.

ok NXT Gen Tech Wax is on the consumer line and is basically the same as #21 on the Mirror Glaze line. Both #20 and #21 are waxes not polishes.
#20 Polymer Sealant
#21 Synthetic Sealant

Wash the car / dry the car
Clay bar the car
Swirl remove the car, do it in a 1foot area. Make sure the area is nice and small. Put it on in thick or light coat?

When using a cleaner polish you are not applying a coat to the car you are putting product on your pad ( when using a DA ) then working it into the paint to remove the clearcoat and leveling it to the bottom of the light swirls and scratches to completely remove them and then wiping off the product before it dries but dont work the product to long or you will work it dry.

What pad do I use for the swirl remover

That depends on what you are using and what defects you are looking to remove. I believe you said you are using a DA so you would be working with something like the W8006 foam polishing pad for products like #83 Dual Action Cleaner/Polish, #80 Speed Glaze, #82 Swirl Free Polish. Then you would use the W9006 Finishing pad for things like #7 Show Car Glaze ( Pure Polishes ) and waxes like #21 2.0 Synthetic Sealant

Then after the car has been swirl removed, I would take the #21 and I would apply 15-20 pounds of preasure just like I did with swirl remover. I'll work it into the paint like I did with the swirl remover.

No when using a product like #21 2.0 there is not reason to use alot of pressure because this product is meant to be used on an already prepped surface as Mike stated earlier. When removing swirls you will be using more pressure because you are cutting down the clear to removal the swirls. The only time you might use more pressure to apply a wax is when using a cleaner wax like ColorX or #20 like Mike stated that is a light cleaner Wax as well.

Once #21 has been worked in I would bring out the wax, this is where I am lost, what wax.

#21 is the wax and not the product to work in. Products you work in are the Compounds, cleaner/ polishes, and pure polishes, and cleaner Waxes.

What # will I use to work the polish & swirl remover in. I think it said use 11pounds at 3speed to work the wax in. Just make it a little easier for me to understand, sorry I'm not a good learner when reading long text. I learn better watching / hands on.

Im not quite sure i understand this question. You will not be using any # to work in a polish or compound. You will be using a pad so im not sure i understand what you meant by this unless you are talking about the number speed to use. Also when applying a wax like i stated before unless its a cleaner wax there is not need to apply alot of pressure and i find just the weight of the machine is enough.

Also i know it may be hard to go through all those links that Mike and Murr offered but they are alot of help. I would suggest taking your time and going through them over and over so you can better understanding of each process because you stated you wanted one of us to sum it up in a quick line for you but to be honest when it comes to detailing there is really no way to sum everything up in a quick line because there is just so much information and different situations. I know what you mean when you say its hard for you to learn this way because you are more of a hands on type of person which is how i am and i tried to reply with as simple answers as i can

[JT-Auto-Detailing]

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Now heres a question for you, how long do you usally work the swirl remover into the paint. If I press 15-20pounds for a swirl remover would I burn the paint?

ok NXT Gen Tech Wax is on the consumer line and is basically the same as #21 on the Mirror Glaze line. Both #20 and #21 are waxes not polishes.
#20 Polymer Sealant
#21 Synthetic Sealant



When using a cleaner polish you are not applying a coat to the car you are putting product on your pad ( when using a DA ) then working it into the paint to remove the clearcoat and leveling it to the bottom of the light swirls and scratches to completely remove them and then wiping off the product before it dries but dont work the product to long or you will work it dry.


That depends on what you are using and what defects you are looking to remove. I believe you said you are using a DA so you would be working with something like the W8006 foam polishing pad for products like #83 Dual Action Cleaner/Polish, #80 Speed Glaze, #82 Swirl Free Polish. Then you would use the W9006 Finishing pad for things like #7 Show Car Glaze ( Pure Polishes ) and waxes like #21 2.0 Synthetic Sealant



No when using a product like #21 2.0 there is not reason to use alot of pressure because this product is meant to be used on an already prepped surface as Mike stated earlier. When removing swirls you will be using more pressure because you are cutting down the clear to removal the swirls. The only time you might use more pressure to apply a wax is when using a cleaner wax like ColorX or #20 like Mike stated that is a light cleaner Wax as well.



#21 is the wax and not the product to work in. Products you work in are the Compounds, cleaner/ polishes, and pure polishes, and cleaner Waxes.



Im not quite sure i understand this question. You will not be using any # to work in a polish or compound. You will be using a pad so im not sure i understand what you meant by this unless you are talking about the number speed to use. Also when applying a wax like i stated before unless its a cleaner wax there is not need to apply alot of pressure and i find just the weight of the machine is enough.

Also i know it may be hard to go through all those links that Mike and Murr offered but they are alot of help. I would suggest taking your time and going through them over and over so you can better understanding of each process because you stated you wanted one of us to sum it up in a quick line for you but to be honest when it comes to detailing there is really no way to sum everything up in a quick line because there is just so much information and different situations. I know what you mean when you say its hard for you to learn this way because you are more of a hands on type of person which is how i am and i tried to reply with as simple answers as i can

[Derrick]

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Now heres a question for you, how long do you usally work the swirl remover into the paint. If I press 15-20pounds for a swirl remover would I burn the paint?

Well for me i only use a rotary for paint defects but from what i know is each product is different and it depends on how you are working the product and at what speed setting you have your DA on. If you have it on 3 you could work the cleaner/ polish longer than if you had it on 5. Also Da's have that safety to where when you push to hard they stop rotating which is something I'm sure you have noticed compared to a rotary which will rotate at the same speed no matter how hard you push. When the rotation slows down that is its safety feature which will keep it from burning the paint but at the same time its what holds the DA back from really being able to remove severe defects. If you are looking for a simple answer on this one i guess i would say work it about 4 or 5 complete passes over the area and then wipe the product and see how that works for you and adjust from there. I'm sure there are some others on this forum that use the DA a little more than i do for this type of work that can give you more detailed info on each product and work time and hopefully they will chime in.

[JT-Auto-Detailing]

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You think about 30-40 seconds on 4-5 should be fine?

Also another question do I work the polish on 4-5 or is that the swirl remover only.