Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

[steeda911]

I was wondering is #21



really the same product as NXT 2.0 but just packaged different for the difference between consumer and professional


Thanks everyone

kris

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

Hi Kris,

No...they are not same product. M21 has been formulated for application with the rotary buffer as well as the DA, orbital and by hand. Meguiar's NXT 2.0 is formulated for DA, orbital and by hand but not the rotary. That is just one of the differences.

Tim

[steeda911]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

Tim,
Hey thanks for the info! I was doing a search and found some information on the two of these products as well. What are some of the other differences? I guess I was wondering also is the protection the same (I know that is a subjective question) So I take it the nxt 2.0 is still the better product (most durable, according to meguiars) I thought I would just use the M21 and follow it up with #26. I take it that this would be a good combination or would doing #26 and following it up with NXT 2.0 be better.

Thanks

Kris

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

Hi Kris,

Officially, NXT 2.0 is Meguiar's best protecting product. I tested the beta version before it was released and was very impressed with the new version. I have always loved #21 but I think either one will work extremely well for most people.

Finally, I would suggest 2 coats of either NXT 2.0 or the #21. Both of these products create a deep rich gloss. In my opinion, I do not see any advantage in topping it with another product. Just so you know, I had for close to 20 years topped #20 with #26 as my all time favorite combo. But with the #21 and the NXT 2.0, they give the best of both worlds on their own.

Tim

[steeda911]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

Tim,
Hey thanks for the information. You guys are the best!! I just got done placing a huge order of meguiars products because of all your guys help on this site.

Thanks
kris

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

Hey Kris,

You are very welcome! Any other questions, just ask!

Tim

[CleanGSR]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

I disagree about topping with 26. I've done both ways many times M21 x 2 and M21 + M26. Without a doubt topping it with 26 makes my black much wetter and deeper. Even my wife can tell the difference and she really couldn't care less...but still notices.

[steeda911]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

Thanks for the input CleanGSR. Do you have any pictures?

have a good one bro

Kris

[yalerd]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

I disagree about topping with 26. I've done both ways many times M21 x 2 and M21 + M26. Without a doubt topping it with 26 makes my black much wetter and deeper.

I think it's very personal. You can notice some changes in your car but maybe that's you but in my eyes it's the same or in my situation with my car.

What you should always keep in mind is that two thin coats of wax is better than one.

[steeda911]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

thanks yalerd

[steeda911]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

Would #21 2.0 protect just as much as #26 (two coats of both obviously)? If I did #21 2.0 what would you top it with? Another coat of #21 2.0 just like 2hotford stated or #21 2.0 then a coat of NXT 2.0

Thanks for the input guys and hey 2hotford you can chime in as well

Kris

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

Would #21 2.0 protect just as much as #26 (two coats of both obviously)? If I did #21 2.0 what would you top it with? Another coat of #21 2.0 just like 2hotford stated or #21 2.0 then a coat of NXT 2.0

Thanks for the input guys and hey 2hotford you can chime in as well

Kris

As I said, I would choose 2 coats of #21 or 2 of NXT 2.0. Over the last 25 years of detailing, I have detailed soooo many different colors, that I had a recipe for this and for that. For MANY years, I used #20 topped with #26. I wanted the durability and extreme gloss from the #20 combined with the darkening effect of the #26. It gave excellent durability and a ultra wet looking finish.

However, before #21 came out to the public I was able to test the product on many different colors. I discovered that the #21 had the gloss and durability of #20 with the deep richness of #26. In essence, it was the best of both worlds! With 2 coats to provide uniform coverage and protection, I rarely needed any other products as it looked awesome!

In the end, it comes down to what looks best in your eyes. For on blacks, I usually do 2 coats of #21, or 2 of NXT 2.0 or 1 of #21 topped with Gold Class. For black metallic, I stick with 2 coats of M21 or 2 of NXT 2.0. If the owner wants more gloss instead of the darkening effect, I may use #20 topped with #16 or 2 coats of #16. If the car has a black lacquer paint job, I may then use M07, followed by 2 coats of either Gold Class or M26. If the car has a single stage paint instead of the BC/CC paint...you get the idea.

As you can see those are just some of the factors that I consider for just black! I also consider how the car will be used (ie. Daily Driver, car shows, stored in a garage etc.) All of these things come from years of experience and having tried MANY different waxes/sealants over the years.

There is no right or wrong choice, but instead just a better choice of what looks best to you and that is all that matters.

Here is a pic of just my Meguiar's waxes/sealants I use, minus the, Quik Wax, Marine and Mold Release waxes. I have many other brands as well as customers sometimes want something very specific as they want to try it or have heard about it etc...




I hope this helps!


Tim

[steeda911]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

Tim,
Hey man thanks again for all the input. Yea my 04 lightning is black and it is not really a daily driver but I am not affraid to drive once a week or so. I truely appreciate all of your help. Here is a list or stuff I just ordered:

#83
#80
#21 2.0
#26
#135
NXT 2.0
Last touch detailer
Shampoo plus
All purpose cleaner
super degreaser
detailer glass cleaner
#40
#23
assortment of pads
and much much more but I think this is a good start to get my 04 lightning and 2000 svt contour in shape ready for the up coming show car season

[Tim Lingor]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

Hey Kris,

That is a great list of products!

Cool! I love the Ford Lightning! Please post some before and after photos of it!

Tim

[CleanGSR]

Re: Question about #21 and NXT 2.0

I think it's very personal. You can notice some changes in your car but maybe that's you but in my eyes it's the same or in my situation with my car.

What you should always keep in mind is that two thin coats of wax is better than one.

Maybe it's just my particular color, but it was not subjective at all. It was a huge night/day difference.

That said....Lately I've been doing M21 + a spray down of AW every few washes. My paint stays clean longer and is slicker without the M26, so I've sacrificed looks a bit in exchange of the slickness of M21.