#80 and 9006 finishing pad

[OhioCarBuff]

I wanted to share this info with everybody, I've had issues with using #80 on my mothers black '02 Dodge Intrepid w/factory paint- the #80 would leave the area I just buffed swirl free but it would look like a hazy & milky black next to the rich deep black area that was not buffed. It wouldn't matter which way the 80 was buffed, it always left the haze. Well, I just tried using a 9006 pad with the #80 and it made a HUGE difference! It appears to me that it finished off well enough to go right to a LSP. I inspected it from every angle with a bright flashlight and it appears like there is enough gloss to go right to LSP, but I'll know for sure tomorrow when I pull the car into daylight.
Oh and FWIW- the paint on this car is so sensitive that it will scratch by just rubbing a fresh clean microfiber across the surface with enough finger pressure. Also, I tried buffing a small section with a foam applicator by hand with #80 and it left light swirling- scratch-X applied the same way does not do this.

Matt

[onawrxhigh]

Re: #80 and 9006 finishing pad

Ohiocarbuff,

You just found out the reality of a hard clear coat. I know that you stated 80 and a 9006 pad looks good to go straight to lsp. In the future you may also want to give #82 swirl free polish a try. I have used it when I had the samething happen to me and it seemed to finish even better than 80 for me. I used it on both a 8006 and a 9006 pad. It has a little bit less cut than 80 and should work out better in dealing with the hard, scratch sensitive clears. Just my 2 cents.

Andrew

[Mike Phillips]

Re: #80 and 9006 finishing pad

I've had issues with using #80 on my mothers black '02 Dodge Intrepid w/factory paint- the #80 would leave the area I just buffed swirl free but it would look like a hazy & milky black next to the rich deep black area that was not buffed.

It wouldn't matter which way the 80 was buffed, it always left the haze.

Well, I just tried using a 9006 pad with the #80 and it made a HUGE difference! It appears to me that it finished off well enough to go right to a LSP.

Thanks for sharing this with everyone and it just drives home the point that before going over an entire car with a product and process you want to make sure the product and process you've chosen is working and giving your the results you want.

Just to check, you were doing a test spot to discover this correct? You didn't go over the entire car?

This is also a reason to have a few different SMR's in your tool box as M80 works great but it doesn't always work great 100% of the time on 100% of all the different paint types.

I inspected it from every angle with a bright flashlight and it appears like there is enough gloss to go right to LSP, but I'll know for sure tomorrow when I pull the car into daylight.

Oh and FWIW- the paint on this car is so sensitive that it will scratch by just rubbing a fresh clean microfiber across the surface with enough finger pressure.

Our guess is that if your car's paint scratches easily just by wiping the paint with a clean microfiber and a too much pressure that the M80/W-9006 pad combination still isn't going to leave your finish at your expectation level when viewed in bright light.

If it looks good then please update this thread, if it doesn't then try ColorX with the tan finishing pad as a follow up to remove any haze.

Also, I tried buffing a small section with a foam applicator by hand with #80 and it left light swirling- scratch-X applied the same way does not do this.

Matt

Again, the importance of testing before going over the entire car.

Keep us updated.

[OhioCarBuff]

Re: #80 and 9006 finishing pad

Update-

I just finished the car off, pulled it out in the sun and it looks perfect. I did test the #80 with the polishing pad and worked it every possible way, the black paint would just not finish off to LSP ready gloss. I was going to order a bottle of #82 and set of finishing pads, but I am glad to discover that the #80 finshes off to LSP ready gloss with the 9006 polishing pad.

Also, I did some tests where I did a few panels where I followed up the #80/8006 (slightly hazed) with Color-X/9006 pad right next to the #80/9006 pad and they looked exactly the same level of gloss, both in sunlight and when you shine a flashlight at various angles. I even had some people look at the panels side by side and they couldn't tell the difference in gloss.

Oh and by the way, I finsihed everything off with a coat of NXT #2, all I can say is WOW- I think this wax looks as good as #26!!! (which I've always thought was the best looking).

Matt

[Mike Phillips]

Re: #80 and 9006 finishing pad

Hi Matt,

Thanks for updating us on this and we're glad everything worked out.

[OhioCarBuff]

Re: #80 and 9006 finishing pad

Ok here are some photos..

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/5924

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/5923

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/5922

As you can see we have been having beautiful spring like weather here in Ohio! My process was Clay, #80 with PC & 8006 pad (which as I mentioned knocked out the swirls but left the black a milky hazy black), I then experimented with Color-X and 80 on 9006 pads, they both worked equally well at knocking down the haze and bring the gloss up to LSP ready. I ended up doing most of the car with Color -X on the 9006 pad because I only had one extra 9006 pad available for the #80. I took some shots of the rear panel behind behind the rear passenger door because I did this panel half with the color X and half with the 80 and the gloss was equal, you can't tell the difference in sun nor in the garage with a bright flashlight at all angles. I then topped everything off with NXT #2.

HMMM, now I'm debating what to use for quick details where just a very light cleaning is needed, Color-X-LSP, or #80 with a 9006 finishing pad then LSP.

I'm also still thinking about buying some #82 and set of 9006 pads. I know I know you really need to do test areas to know for sure, but as good as the 80- 9006 got the gloss, do you sappouse 82 would take to to an even higher level??

Matt

[Michael Stoops]

Re: #80 and 9006 finishing pad

This is a perfect example of how the pad effects the polishing process. Obviously M80 in and of itself isn't really the issue (or at least not the whole issue) with this particular finish since M80 was still used with the W9006 Finishing Pad to achieve the desired result.

There are so many variables when it comes to polishing paint, and sometimes you get hit with something a little unusual, sometimes very unusual. Some might see this as frustrating, but I find it a fun challenge.

Then again, I'm a bit weird.

[MoJam]

Re: #80 and 9006 finishing pad

There are so many variables when it comes to polishing paint, and sometimes you get hit with something a little unusual, sometimes very unusual. Some might see this as frustrating, but I find it a fun challenge.