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  • Arms = tired, boat looks like poo...

    Ok... so I have been dilligently working on this 60' Novatec...but before I go into what I've done to the boat so far, let me preface it with the following crucial information:

    The boat hasn't been TOUCHED in 8 months... and it's been sitting in dry dock at a boat yard, where welding dust, grinding dust, sanding dust, gravel dust, bird poo, sun fading, and everytrhing else you can think of has embedded itself into the boat's finish.


    I used the pink gel boat wash (forgive me if I don't remember the number for it), and washed the whole boat 3 times... each time, more and more **** was just pouring off of it. I chamois'ed it with one of those "The Absorber" chamois, and got rid of the water spots and some of the streaks.

    Then I used the #50 OneStep Cleaner/Wax and got rid of most of the black streaks... from just the front apron. I hadn't even touched the sides, or the rope rail, or the hull yet. 3 1/2 quarts later, I get everything from the rope rail UP, and it looks marginally OK... it looks good from 80' away.

    I go back over it with quart upon quart of Flagship Marine liquid wax.... now mind you, I'm about 8 quarts total (cleaner and flagship) of wax down.... and it's all by hand. Now it looks good from about 40' away. I go back over the whole boat with the #69 aerosol Quick Wax... 2 1/2 cans worth.


    20' away, it looks good... but I need this boat to look STUNNING, while ON the boat. It's for sale for $610,000... I need it to look like an $800,000 boat.


    I think I'm gonna have to cross over to the dark side and learn to use a buffer... but that will have to wait till next week when one of the Meguiar's guys is coming up from Orlando to Jacksonville to help me out with a detailing plan.... but until then, any ideas on how I can make this boat look GOOD without the buffer? Or, did I just pretty much waste the better part of 30 hours on a finish that's all gonna be negated by the buffer?


    HELP!

    --Evan
    Vanity
    Automotive and Marine Detailing
    "Because when you want everyone to look at your car or boat's shine, that's Vanity."

  • #2
    Hi Evan,

    Sorry to say, using a machine and a dedicated cleaner for gel coats is going to make a huge difference in results and less wear and tear on your muscles.

    For example, any of these as a pre-cleaner before wax,

    http://meguiars.com/estore/product_l...meg-marine-1-2

    M44
    M49
    M67

    Wait for the Meguiar's Rep to get their and help you out, he will save you a ton of frustration and help you to take your skills and knowledge to a much higher level.

    If possible, take some before and after pictures of this job, especially if there are any areas left that you can get some good before pictures. You can use these later to help get more business and increase your worth.

    By the way, do you have the name of the Meguiar's Rep that's coming to meet you?

    Is is name, David Pedre?
    Mike Phillips
    760-515-0444
    showcargarage@gmail.com

    "Find something you like and use it often"

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    • #3
      Boats are a pain to clean and wax! And they can collect a lot of dirt in a short period of time, especially in the interior! I got a reminder of these facts when I put my boat in the water yesterday. Lots of work ahead. Fortunately I can get #57 locally as I will need a lot of it.

      Back to your boat. A buffer is mandatory for a big boat, no question. It is well worth the money. And you will probably need to use something like #44 before waxing like Mike said. You should probably get a rotary and a PC to do boats. Gel goat is thicker than clearcoat so it lends itself well to rotary buffer use. But you probably don't want to learn on a $600K boat. All the boat detailers I have watched at the marinas use rotaries on them to get the oxidation off. The results are amazing to say the least!

      RamAirV1
      2015 Dodge Charger R/T Scat Pack 392Granite Crystal
      2006 GTO Impulse Blue

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mike Phillips
        Hi Evan,

        Sorry to say, using a machine and a dedicated cleaner for gel coats is going to make a huge difference in results and less wear and tear on your muscles.

        For example, any of these as a pre-cleaner before wax,

        http://meguiars.com/estore/product_l...meg-marine-1-2

        M44
        M49
        M67

        Wait for the Meguiar's Rep to get their and help you out, he will save you a ton of frustration and help you to take your skills and knowledge to a much higher level.

        If possible, take some before and after pictures of this job, especially if there are any areas left that you can get some good before pictures. You can use these later to help get more business and increase your worth.

        By the way, do you have the name of the Meguiar's Rep that's coming to meet you?

        Is is name, David Pedre?

        I could have sworn he said his name was Mitchell? Does that sound right?

        His number is 407.679.7976... it's an Orlando number... but I'm hoping I get more details.
        Vanity
        Automotive and Marine Detailing
        "Because when you want everyone to look at your car or boat's shine, that's Vanity."

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        • #5
          Just got all of his/Mequiar's info today...


          His name is Scott D Clarke.


          I'm hoping he can come up and help me with this boat, because it's BAD. It needs to look good by the end of the week!
          Vanity
          Automotive and Marine Detailing
          "Because when you want everyone to look at your car or boat's shine, that's Vanity."

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          • #6
            You tried to detail a 60ft boat by hand? Holy guacamole, I swore I’d never do a 21ft ski boat (that’s in good condition) by hand ever again.

            Rest assured going to power will be the best choice you’ll ever make (well, for detailing anyway). If you’ve avoided power buffers for fear you’d be sacrificing quality in the name of convenience you needn’t worry. Power tools aren’t just about speed and power. They’re about consistency combined with speed and power. Consistency, in the hands of a conscientious craftsman translates into higher quality and better results, faster.

            Your Megiuar’s rep will be a tremendous resource. Listen well.

            Good luck!


            PC.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by the other pc
              You tried to detail a 60ft boat by hand? Holy guacamole, I swore I’d never do a 21ft ski boat (that’s in good condition) by hand ever again.

              Rest assured going to power will be the best choice you’ll ever make (well, for detailing anyway). If you’ve avoided power buffers for fear you’d be sacrificing quality in the name of convenience you needn’t worry. Power tools aren’t just about speed and power. They’re about consistency combined with speed and power. Consistency, in the hands of a conscientious craftsman translates into higher quality and better results, faster.

              Your Megiuar’s rep will be a tremendous resource. Listen well.

              Good luck!


              PC.

              I wish I could say this was the first big boat I've done by hand. However, I'm up to my 20th boat now... the SMALLEST one was a 46' Sea Ray, and the biggest one was a 147' jet boat. Yes, a hundred and forty seven feet.
              Vanity
              Automotive and Marine Detailing
              "Because when you want everyone to look at your car or boat's shine, that's Vanity."

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              • #8
                While I've never met Scott Clark, we have spoken over the phone on many occasions when were were working on the Velocity Line, (Synthetic Polymer Release and Sealer for mold in the mold release industry).

                My friend at work told me

                Scott has been one of our Marine Rep Agents for almost 25 years. His knowledge of gel coat and mold release products rivals anyone in the industry. Evan is in good hands!
                It sounds like your in good hands!

                Mike Phillips
                760-515-0444
                showcargarage@gmail.com

                "Find something you like and use it often"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by VanityYachtDetailing
                  ... I'm up to my 20th boat now... the SMALLEST one was a 46' Sea Ray, and the biggest one was a 147' jet boat. Yes, a hundred and forty seven feet.
                  I'm in awe of your industriousness and perseverance.

                  Combining your dedication with Scott's guidance and Meguiar's products is sure to be a great success.


                  PC.

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                  • #10
                    I'm hoping he can get up here SOON.... I lost today because of rain, and tomorrow looks bad too.


                    I'm in some major caca if I don't have the boat done by Saturday morning.... but if Mother Nature doesn't wanna cooperate, then there's really nothing I can do.
                    Vanity
                    Automotive and Marine Detailing
                    "Because when you want everyone to look at your car or boat's shine, that's Vanity."

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                    • #11
                      After the Yard

                      The best way I have found to clean a the boat after a 2 week- or longer visit is Simple Green (or Big Orange) & Amonia. It cuts through the dust, but after I am facing 60 hours of polishing & waxing. I gennerally schedual or time my detailing around my yard work. Hope this helps.
                      Dav Carpenter
                      Captain M/Y Tiger Shark

                      Loan rep for Golden West Funding: Lowest rate offered the first time, 1% Origination fee.

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                      • #12
                        Maybe you should invest in a Dual Action Polisher. It isn't all that hard to learn how to use, and you'll achieve greater results IMHO.
                        Good luck with everything!
                        Erik Mejia

                        Polishing Paint removes the stress in my life, and the swirls on my car.

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