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**Mike Phillips** · Jan 12, 2005, 07:44 PM

Re: My New Lincoln Mark VIII LSC

Originally posted by 94gpse
Hi Everyone, well I sold my Camaro Saturday, and this Monday I got my new car. Its a 1996 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC Desert Violet with tan interior (Finally a Dark colored car) I absolutely love this car, I mean it does everything except drive it self.

Congratulation on the new (dark colored) car! Looks like you're going to have some fun with your detailing hobby!

Anyway I just wanted to post a few pictures of it. The car is dirty in these pics but it hasn't stopped snowing/raining since I got it so I haven't had a chance to wash it or anything. This weekend I am going to give it a full detail. The leather is in good shape, but it is just a little dirty. The paint is in excellent shape it just looks like it has been an automatic car wash car it's entire life, that is going to change...

Automatic car washes are pretty hard on the paint. After you get your car washed-up as clean as you can get it, try to take a really good Sun Reflection Shot off the hood or the deck-lid to document the true before condition.

I will be posting the detail pics this weekend when I finish the car and get it looking perfect. I am so happy It is a dark color, it is such a dark violet it looks black...

Ahhh... dark colored cars and especially black cars are the ultimate challenge to maintain.

Any recommended products I should use. Wanted to know what products would work best for a color like this.

First question: Do you own a dual action polisher?
Second Question: If you don't, are you willing to invest in one? (Hint... it's going to make your work easier and your results the envy of the neighborhood!)

I also wanted to ask, my leather is a little dirty as shown in the pic. I tried using Lexol leather cleaner with a rag and it worked but it didn't seem to work good enough, they are still a little dirty. What can I use to clean them really good??? Can I use a brush??? If so, what kind??? Any help is appreciated

Three products, two are available, the other will be available in mid to late February.

All-Surface Interior Brush

Gold Class Rich Leather Aloe Cleaner
Gold Class Rich Leather Aloe Conditioner

And like I said I will have full Detail pics this weekend...

Looking forward to them...

Mike

**Mike Phillips** · Jan 12, 2005, 08:05 PM

If you do have a dual action polisher, below is an article I wrote that gives you the basics. If you want to work by hand I can offers some suggestions for that process also.

Here's the basic order of steps to follow,

Washing
Before detailing your car, first do an extremely good job of washing it. Remove all the dirt from all the nooks and crannies. This prevents any small abrasive dirt particle from entering into the machine polishing process and potentially instilling a swirl. Get the Car Sparkling Clean to start with and everything will be downhill after that.

Claying
After that clay the car, at least the horizontal surfaces. Again, do a good job of claying to insure you remove all above surface contaminants. The level of gloss you can achieve from your car's finish is mostly determined by how smooth you can make your paint. Claying will make your car's finish as smooth as glass.

Cleaning
Cleaning is different than washing. Cleaning is removing both above surface defects like oxidation and below surface defects like swirls, scratches, etchings, and dirt that has embedded itself under the surface. Choose the appropriate paint cleaner for the condition of your car's finish and your application process. If you're unsure of which paint cleaner or cleaner/polish is right for your car, describe your car and if possible post a picture and we'll be glad to make some recommendations.

Polishing
Polishing after removing the defects is typically using a pure polish that is non-abrasive to restore brilliant high gloss and deep, dark reflections. This is an optional step and one best used on medium to dark colored car.

Protecting
This is where you apply your choice of wax or paint protectant. Adding a layer or two of wax creates a sacrificial-barrier on your car's paint to protect it and also add shine and gloss. Generally, two thin coats will insure even coverage with a uniform appearance.

Maintaining
Maintaining is the use of products like a quick detailer or a spray wax to maintain that "Just detailed look" in-between regular washings, and the regular application of a normal coat of wax.

Meguiar's always teaches,

"Always use the least aggressive product to get the job done"

The idea is to see if you can restore an acceptable finish using the least aggressive product. Starting with a mild paint cleaner or cleaner/polish and testing to see what can accomplished with it is the safe way to learn which product you will need to safely remove the defects. If the first products you try don't do the job, you can always substitute a more aggressive product.

The most aggressive you can go with Meguiar's products and a dual action polisher is using our #83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish and our W-8006 foam pad on the 5.0 setting. Getting any more aggressive than this can cause hazing of the finish and if the defects are serious enough to require a more aggressive product then you should use a rotary buffer or take it to a professional who is experienced with the rotary buffer.

When it comes to removing swirls and other defects using the dual action polisher, here are two products that work really well,

#80 Speed Glaze
#83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish

In keeping with Meguiar's philosophy of using the least aggressive product to get the job done, if you are unfamiliar with these products and/or your car's paint, then always perform "Test Spot" to a small are first before attempting to do the entire car.

"If you cannot make one small area look good with your prescribed products and process, then you will not be able to make the entire car look good"

Makes sense huh?

To do a test spot, start out with the #80 Speed Glaze with a W-8006 foam polishing pad and buff for 3-4 minutes.

When cleaning paint with the dual action polisher, you want to map out in your minds eye a section or area about 16" square or rectangle, or whatever fit's your car's body panels shape. The idea is you don't want to try to do to much of an area at one time or you will not get good results. The dual action polisher is gentle in it's cleaning and polishing action and for this reason, trying to work on too large an area at one time will not remove enough paint to remove any defects.

Note: To remove a below surface defect, you must remove some paint until the highest points of the surface are level with the lowest depths of the defect you're trying to remove. This means removing paint. This also means how deep of a defect you can remove is determined by how thick you paint is. Often times you can improve a defect, but not completely remove the defect as to do so would remove to much paint and in the case of a clear coat, expose the color coat and in the case of a non-clear coat finish, you will expose the primer under the color coat. How much paint you can remove is hard to know because you can never know exactly how much working film-build you have to work with. Experience in this area helps a lot and sometimes luck is a factor to. Remember this, light swirls are generally pretty safe to remove, but deep scratches like key scratches etc. you will probably be better off merely improving the way they look so they don't stand out like a sore thumb, the to attempt to completely remove them.

When using the dual action polisher to remove defects, map out a section to work in your minds eye. Check the speed setting on the variable speed adjuster. For removing defects you usually need to be around the 4.5 to 5.0 setting. Meguiar's never recommends running the polisher faster than the 5.0 setting as these higher speed settings produce an oscillating action that is too violent in it's speed and motion and this combined with time creates heat and the synergy of all these factors will loosen the Velcro material attached to the foam. Keep your speed settings at 5.0 or below.

After applying some product to your foam pad, (already attached to the polisher), place the face of the foam pad onto the finish and then turn the polisher on. DO NOT turn the polisher on before it has come into contact with the foam pad or your will sling product all over the place and then you'll get to clean the splatter up instead or work on your car's finish. Once you have turned the polisher on, move the polisher around to spread out your product over the area you are going to work. This is important. What you're trying to do here is to spread-out your product so that you have a film of fresh product spread out over the surface you're going to work. THEN begin to work the product against the finish using a slow arm speed, moving the polisher back and forth over the section and overlapping your passes by 50%. You should run the polisher in a couple of different directions, always with overlapping motions, to insure even cleaning over the entire surface.

Note: The reason you want to spread your freshly applied product out over the section you're going to work is because if you turn the polisher on and immediately begin to work in one place, as you're working the product against the finish the diminishing abrasives are breaking down. As you continue to move around the area you're working, by the time you get to the last portion of the area you're working, you will be using a much less aggressive product than when you started out because all the while the diminishing abrasives have been breaking down. If when you first start out you take a few moments to spread the freshly applied product around over the entire section you're going to work, and then go back to your start point, you will have fresh product ready to be worked into the finish as you move from one area to the other.

Does that makes sense?

After you have buffed the area for 3-4 minutes, (how long you buff can be relative to the temperature and humidity in your area, also the type of paint your working on and the amount of product you applied. The important thing is that you buffed long enough to work the product against the finish and have broken the diminishing abrasives down, but you have not buffed to long and buffed to a dry buff. This is something that is hard to explain with a keyboard and a computer monitor and is really something that first-hand experience will teach you), stop buffing, wipe off the residue and inspect the results in two kinds of light, (if possible). If your results look good and are acceptable to you, then repeat this process, (#80 Speed Glaze with the W-8006 foam pad on the 4.5 to 5.0 setting), and after removing all of the residue you can then go on to the waxing step.

If your results don't look good, and this combination of products is not removing as many of the swirls and scratches as you would like, then try repeating the above to the same test section using the #83 Dual Action Cleaner Polish. Use a new clean W-8006 foam polishing pad for this step, or a W-8006 foam polishing pad that you have previously used with the #83.

Here's a suggestion
Use a permanent marker to mark the back of your buffing pads with the product number you're using with them so you don't mix different products onto different pads.

After buffing the test section on the 5.0 setting remove the excess product and re-polish the same area with the #80 Speed Glaze and the W-8006 pad marked and used with this product. Repeat the same procedure as originally outlined for doing the test spot with the #80 above. After you are finished buffing this area, remove the residue and inspect your results again in two kinds of light if possible.

The goal of coarse is that now your car's finish will look great! and be ready for you choice of wax. If your car's finish does look great and meets your expectations then repeat this 2-step cleaning approach to the entire car. If not then chances are very good to remove the defects and meet you requirements the finish will need to be professionally cleaned and polished using a rotary buffer by an experienced professional.

Hope this helps...

Mike

**94gpse** · Jan 13, 2005, 05:41 AM

Fortunantely, I do have a PC 7424. It is I think the greatest tool for detailing. I will be sure to get some before pics. I took it into a shop yesterday and I couldn't believe how many swirl marks and light hairline scratches were in it, I call it "spider-webbing." Don't know if that is the correct term for it. Flourescents are so brutal...

But I am really excited to get working on it... I plan on washing,using #1 with a rotary (I know how to use a rotary really good), Using #83 with a PC, Using #80 or #7 or DC2 for polish with a PC, then topping with either #16,GC Wax, or NXT with a PC. Does that Sound like a good process???

**OrangeRcode** · Jan 13, 2005, 07:56 AM

Look forward to seeing your after pics.

**DFTowel** · Jan 13, 2005, 08:20 AM

Congratulations fellow Mark VIII owner! I'm on my third one... I've had a 94, a 96, and now a 97 LSC.
Come visit our Mark VIII club at www.lincolnsonline.org

**94gpse** · Jan 13, 2005, 08:51 AM

Thanks DFTowel, I absolutely love these cars. I like the 2 generation's. I always loved that color thats on yours. What is it called?? Isn't it Torredor red (spell check)??? I have checked out www.lincolnsonline.org it's a great site, i am also a member of markVIII.org (Matt1987) is my user ID.

**Mike Phillips** · Jan 13, 2005, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by 94gpse
Fortunately, I do have a PC 7424. It is I think the greatest tool for detailing. I will be sure to get some before pics. I took it into a shop yesterday and I couldn't believe how many swirl marks and light hairline scratches were in it, I call it "spider-webbing." Don't know if that is the correct term for it.

Spider-webbing, or Cobweb-effect, either one is good.

I plan on washing, using #1 with a rotary (I know how to use a rotary really good),

When you write that you're going to use #1, do you mean Medium-Cut Cleaner ?

I've used plenty of #1 Medium Cut Cleaner in my life and it's a great product, but for your clear coat finish you might consider using Meguiarâ€™s #84 Compound Power Cleaner with a Meguiar's W-7006 foam cutting pad around 1500 RPM's. Use the #84 rather sparingly and clean you pad often with a nylon brush, like a toothbrush.

Using #83 with a PC, Using #80 or #7 or DC2 for polish with a PC, then topping with either #16, GC Wax, or NXT with a PC. Does that Sound like a good process???

The rest sounds good to me...

Have fun!

Mike

**94gpse** · Jan 13, 2005, 01:26 PM

yes, when I say #1 I mean medium-cut cleaner. What is the difference between #1 and #84??? Is #84 more or less aggressive???

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