Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

[asdklj22]

I'm having problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created, i don't know why? it doesn't remove the marks but created new marks.

I was using Chicago buffer rotary, it doesnt solve the problem but creates problem. Anyone have any suggestion how to fix this problem?

[Andrew C.]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

Well this is why we always say to do a test spot first, rather than doing the whole entire car. If it isn't removing the swirl marks, you are probably using wrong technique, and from the looks of your buffer trails and holograms left behind, it does appear that you are using wrong technique.

M105 won't always finish out perfectly, especially with a rotary buffer, so you have to follow up with something less aggressive, such as M205 with a polishing or finishing pad, to remove that hazing/ holograms left behind.

Take a look at the rotary buffer section of the forum. There are some great articles in there that explain how to properly use a rotary buffer.

And remember, before your proceed, do a TEST SPOT!!! Whatever method you decide to go with next, such as M105 followed by M205, do a small test spot, pull it out into the sun, and see if it look good.

Keep us posted.

[audionutmike]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

What pad are you using? How long are you working the 105? We've found that going to a less aggressive pad and working 105 a little longer really minimizes the holograms. You might have to make an extra pass, however, with the lighter pad depending on the severity of the swirls you are trying to get rid of.
As Andrew said, always, always do a test spot and check it (preferably) in the sun, before going on. If you don't have 205 you can try 83. Good luck, let us know what happens

[FinalTouchDetail]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

I can tell you right now that the problem is your skill with the rotary, not the M105.

Those are holograms created from the rotory buffer. You can try following up with a less agressive polish like 205 or 82, but I still feel that it might be more in the technique than the product.

Do you have access to a Dual-Action polisher?

[akimel]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

Oh my. That looks awful, and I know you must feel awful. At this point I know you don't want to hear any lectures on what you should have done, though I hope that after you get the car looking good again you will step back and learn from this disappointing experience.

FTD's question about whether you have access to a dual action polisher is to the point. You will have a much easier time correcting these holograms with a DA than with a rotary. My guess is that a DA and some M205 (and perhaps Ultimate Compound) will eliminate these holograms and restore your finish. But if you must continue with the rotary, then by all means get some M205. And as Andrew wisely commented, do a test spot first: How to do a Test Spot. Work on your technique on a small area, and when you make the test spot look good, you'll be ready to finish out the rest of the car.

Don't be discouraged. Most of us have found ourselves in similar situations. I too had a detailing debacle, though mine was with soft Honda paint that refuses to behave when polished with a Flex. But thanks for the guidance of the MOL brethren I was able to recover and correct the marring I had created through my inexperience.

Good luck!

[Erik Mejia]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

What type of pad are you using with the M105 on your rotary? Foam Pads, or Wool Pad? Is it both?

Do you own a dual action polisher? How much experience do you have behind the rotary buffer?

[FinalTouchDetail]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

Also, do you have a STRONG worklight? You can typically pick up a 1000 watt halogen work lamp for very cheap and you can use that as you work to spot holograms forming before you move on to a new section and just compound the problem further.

The bright side of all of this is that it can all be fixed!

[Tuck91]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

Wow.

[J. A. Michaels]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

Once again, This shows the importance of a test pot. Yikes.

[gto_don]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

Man...that has got to hurt! Ouchie BIG TIME.

[BlackScreaminMachine]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

I hope that is your car!?

[FinalTouchDetail]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

I hope that is your car!?

Wow, I didn't even think of that!

[FRS]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

Looks bad but it can be fixed ..

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Problem with M105, Lot's of Swirl Marks created

We're going to close this thread down as it's a continuation/duplication of asdklj22's original thread regarding this issue here. Let's keep the discussion in one location as this is a very important topic that a lot of new users should be able to learn from.