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    After finihsing up a 6 hour detail on a coworker's Land Rover HSE and a quick wipedown of the interior of my friend's rental car (they gave it to her filthy), I was plenty tired and the sun was setting on another hard day of detailing. As I glanced at my Vette in the driveway I was forced to face something that has been bothering me since I purchased it 2 years ago.

    The long, sloping rear window has terrible water etching and these long etched runs that basically looked like a kid poured syrup over the back of the car. Since purchasing it I haved tried claying it, Swirl-X 1.0 by hand, Meg's #83 by hand, and the Lake Country GPS-Pro Glass Polishing System via DA.

    After all this, I had reduced some of the lighter water spots but not placed the slightest dent in the etched runs. I had pretty much resigned myself to living with it and just replacing the glass sometime down the road to the tune of a little over $650...

    I had contacted a Corvette Forum friend of mine, Todd (TH0001), and asked for help. He gave me some tips to adjust my method with the LC GPS kit and mentioned I could always throw some M105 on there as a last resort. Said as kind of a joke at the time I shot him a quick message regarding the feasibility of actually using M105 as nothing else worked. He advised me to give it a shot with the DA and watch for heat!! Heat can warp the laminate between the glass and can basically ruin the windshield.

    So before putting anything away I decided to do it. Here's the process:

    1. Wash rear of Vette with Meg's Gold Class Shampoo
    2. Clayed rear glass with Meg's Smooth Surface Clay Bar (Quik Detailer as lube)
    3. Cleaned glass with Stoner's Invisible Glass and Meg's microfiber
    4. Taped surrounding areas with 3M tape (used the last of the extra-wide roll I used on the Rover)
    5. Applied M105 to a 4" Lake Country Orange Pad (non-CCS) for one pass
    6. IPA wipedown and inspection

    Didn't take any pure "before" shots but here are some 50/50's to give you an idea of what I'm dealing with and how one pass...that's right one pass...of M105 totally eliminated both water etching and the runs!!

    50/50...



    And another 50/50...



    Good 50/50 of the runs...



    And now for the money shot of the same area after ONE PASS of M105...



    50/50 of the water etching spots versus the glass after one pass of M105 (lots of microfiber lint and some product dusting)...



    50/50 a little further back showing more of the runs on the right and complete removal on the left...



    Love M105!!!
    Last edited by Bounty; May 17, 2009, 09:54 AM.

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    Re: Many faces of M105...

    Nice work!

    Just be careful because M105 is very strong and I've seen it marr glass.

    Good stuff!

    Ryan
    Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway.

    This is your life. Choose to live it to the fullest.

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    • #3
      Re: Many faces of M105...

      M105 is

      Nice job
      Philippians 2:14 - Do all things without grumbling or questioning,

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      • #4
        Re: Many faces of M105...

        wow nice!! my golf had this water etching too..but here in brazil don't have the M105, what product can compare with the M105?? i have 82,83,84,85.. can i use one of that i have?

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        • #5
          Re: Many faces of M105...

          Originally posted by lucas-brazil View Post
          wow nice!! my golf had this water etching too..but here in brazil don't have the M105, what product can compare with the M105?? i have 82,83,84,85.. can i use one of that i have?
          Lucas, glass is a complicated creature to work on at times. Modern glass is really two sheets of glass with a laminate layer sandwiched in between. Excessive heat will warp this laminate layer and can leave distortions in the glass. The beauty of the M105 is it only took one pass to acheive these results so heat build-up wasn't really an issue...

          In your case I'd keep a water spritzer bottle nearby. As you're working your product, occasionally feel the surface with your hand to insure it's not building up too much heat. After a full pass or two you may want to give it a lite spritz of water to keep things cool. Again when using SMAT products this also allows you to extend the work time (see Kevin Brown method).

          Since you have limited products available I'd try the Meg's #83 via DA before moving on to higher abrasive compounds like #84, #85, etc. Boa sorte and let us know how it turns out...
          Last edited by Bounty; Apr 19, 2009, 12:18 AM.

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          • #6
            Re: Many faces of M105...

            Great job on the glass. Amazing results. Way to go.
            quality creates its own demand

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            • #7
              Re: Many faces of M105...

              Nice Work!!
              Great Job!!
              Keep Up the Great Work!!
              Joel
              Firefighter/EMT-B
              Rejuvenation Auto Detailing
              "Satisfaction Guaranteed or Your Dirt Back!!!"
              '99 F-150

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              • #8
                Re: Many faces of M105...

                Cool stuff indeed! Nice job!

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                • #9
                  Re: Many faces of M105...

                  Originally posted by Bounty View Post
                  Lucas, glass is a complicated creature to work on at times. Modern glass is really two sheets of glass with a laminate layer sandwiched in between. Excessive heat will warp this laminate layer and can leave distortions in the glass. The beauty of the M105 is it only took one pass to acheive these results so heat build-up wasn't really an issue...

                  In your case I'd keep a water spritzer bottle nearby. As you're working your product, occasionally feel the surface with your hand to insure it's not building up too much heat. After a full pass or two you may want to give it a lite spritz of water to keep things cool. Again when using SMAT products this also allows you to extend the work time (see Kevin Brown method).

                  Since you have limited products available I'd try the Meg's #83 via DA before moving on to higher abrasive compounds like #84, #85, etc. Boa sorte and let us know how it turns out...

                  hey bounty i tested now and worked very well!
                  thankssss a lot

                  my steps -

                  washing
                  clay + QD
                  #83 with 8006 pad.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Many faces of M105...

                    Originally posted by lucas-brazil View Post
                    hey bounty i tested now and worked very well!
                    thankssss a lot

                    my steps -

                    washing
                    clay + QD
                    #83 with 8006 pad.
                    Awesome! Glad it worked out for you. Good to see my advice working from time to time...

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                    • #11
                      Re: Many faces of M105...

                      Hey! You guys forgot the most important piece of information to help avoid over heating:

                      What speed did you have your DA set to?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Many faces of M105...

                        My son's '01 Tacoma windshield is trashed. I will keep all of this in mind and give it a shot. I will definately keep the heat close to my heart. I will let you all know if it works.
                        RG Curtis
                        U.S. Navy Silent Service

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                        • #13
                          Re: Many faces of M105...

                          Originally posted by rgcurtis View Post
                          My son's '01 Tacoma windshield is trashed. I will keep all of this in mind and give it a shot. I will definately keep the heat close to my heart. I will let you all know if it works.
                          One important thing to note...use as little product as is necessary! I allowed my roommate to practice and he used a bit too much on the side opposite these pics. Since glass is porous, some of the lubricating oils can seep into the pores and it'll come out in the next few rains or washes and gives the glass a "sheeting" or "slick" appearance with no beading.

                          Other than that everything was fine. Good luck and let us know what happens...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Many faces of M105...

                            Originally posted by Bounty View Post
                            Since glass is porous, some of the lubricating oils can seep into the pores and it'll come out in the next few rains or washes and gives the glass a "sheeting" or "slick" appearance with no beading.
                            Rain-X FTW!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Many faces of M105...

                              Originally posted by xantonin View Post
                              Rain-X FTW!
                              Ok, I've seen this on several forums now and I'm mystified - wtf does 'FTW' mean?

                              Mike-the-tla-impaired...
                              Finally learning how to shine sheet-metal!
                              Pictures live here!

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