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    First off, a big thank you to all who gave feedback on my question about Ferrari paint - you were right, it's soft.

    Quick background on how these two projects came to be:

    It turns out a guy in my Crossfire club works for Superformance and he wasn't happy with the prep work their cars have been getting and asked if I'd be willing to take it on. I did a test area on this Cobra on Friday and the owners were blown away - seems the guys they were using before were just doing a very quick wax job as evidenced by the swirls still in cars they had just recently done. While wandering through the shop I noticed the shape of a Ferrari 360 Modena under cover and asked why that was there. Turns out it's a customer's car and he stores it there - we pulled back the cover and I shined my swirl finder light on the hood and sure enough, swirl city. Not much I can do about this since it's a customer car, but I'm asked to come back on Monday and finish the Cobra as my first project.

    Saturday I'm at Cars & Coffee and run into the guys from Superformance who then introduce me to the owner of the Ferrari, and we talk a bit. His car is sitting in the sun and I show him the swirls, to which he responds that he just paid someone $300 to detail his car. I told him $300 isn't a bad price to detail a Ferrari, but it's a terrible price for the result he got. He then asked that I correct his car while I'm at Superformance doing the Cobra. So..........


    Cobra

    Lighting isn't the best at this place so I made heavy use of my Brinkman swirl finder light. The paint on the Superformance cars is crazy soft and on black paint it actually makes it a bit tricky because it's so easy to mar it while trying to fix it.

    This section doesn't look too bad:


    This one looks worse but is more indicative of how the whole car looked:


    Very difficult to get pictures in this environment, but this is the clearness of a rear quarter panel after polishing:


    General view of the hood - this after polishing with M80 and topping with NXT Tech Wax:


    The whole car, done:




    Ferrari

    Swirl city - the entire car looked like this after it was detailed just a week ago and then parked:


    More swirls, these just above the passenger door handle:


    Half & half shot of the rear deck lid - not the best shot but you can clearly see the swirls on the right side and clear paint on the left after I polished:


    Finished car - nice and shiny:


    Reflections in the finished hood:


    Now that's more like it:


    OK, a few notes on the Ferrari - my intent was to use a rotary with M105 but for some bizarre reason that just was not the right combo. For the first time ever in my experience with 105 it gummed up and was hard to wipe off. The paint was just weird. I don't know how else to describe it other than to say it felt really dry, plus in person it looked less swirled and more scoured - it was really horrible. The car is a 2003 model and the current owner bought it used from the original owner - it's overall care history is unknown. The word "neglect" comes to mind though. But I tried M105 with a W8006 foam pad, a W7006 foam cutting pad and even a yellow So1o wool pad. I wasn't liking it and I have always LOVED 105 in the past. So I broke out the M80 and a yellow W8006 foam pad on the DA. BINGO!!!. You've got to be kidding me!! Proof positive that you can't just make assumptions on how something is going to behave in this wacky world of paint polishing.

    As the General Manager of Superformance and other employees passed by they all commented on how "redder" the car looked as I progressed. The swirls came out very easily with M80/W8006/DA but I did use the rotary for some of the deeper scratches, etc. I don't know if the paint was just soaking up the oils in M80 or what, but it just transformed the look of the car. I decided that the paint was just crying out for some extra TLC so after polishing with the above process I applied a coat of M81 Hand Polish to the whole car for some extra pop. M20 topped everything off and I was very pleased with the final outcome. All the guys at the shop were just amazed - they thought the car looked decent to begin with and had no idea it could look that much better.

    I'll be going back in the future to do more Cobras, GT40s and Daytona Coupes and hopefully pick up a few more customer cars along the way.
    Michael Stoops
    Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

    Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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    Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

    WOW! Nice cars and great results!


    Andy
    101impala
    Keeping MOL family friendly! If you need help or have a question, don't hesitate to shoot me an email or PM. 101impala@gmail.com
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      Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

      Great work. That Ferrari looks sick.

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        Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

        Thanks for the info. I have a black 355GTS I'll be detailing in a few months using the D/A.

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          Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

          Great job! As a lover of black cars, the Cobra looks amazing. Looks like the paint is still wet.

          Sounds as if you'll be busy doing their details from now on. With good reason too.
          Scott

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            Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

            That's just awesome, that Ferrari and Cobra look amazing.

            Good ol' M80. Old reliable.

            Good show Mike

            Aaron
            Philippians 2:14 - Do all things without grumbling or questioning,

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              Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

              Awesome job bringing those great cars back to life!

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                Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

                Wow! Nice job on the Cobra. I think that last pic redefines 'liquid black.'
                Chris
                Dasher Detailing Services

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                  Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

                  Awesome Job Mike! I was eagerly waiting for you to post these pics!
                  Rasky's Auto Detailing

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                    Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena


                    Mike very nice work on both cars!
                    Great write-up and thanks for sharing!

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                      Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

                      Great job on the car Mike. I'm so Jealous. You know. I tried M105 this past weekend for the first time and uhh well I wasn't too impressed. I got a better result with 83 followed by 80. But like you said it must be the paint not reacting well to it. Again great job. I hope to one day get customers like that.
                      Jesse

                      2009-2014 Meguiar's/Car Crazy SEMA Team
                      www.ShineTechAutoDetail.com
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                        Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

                        Mike, that is some awesome work you did thier. I agree the black paint looks like its still wet. The red is just popping. Great work. Excelant write up and pics. Way to go.
                        quality creates its own demand

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                          Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

                          M80 + W8006 + DA =

                          Great work and love the shine !!!
                          Bill Poirier
                          West Seneca, NY 14224

                          "until you can afford a great car, always strive for a great looking car"

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                            Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

                            Originally posted by hemin8r View Post
                            Great job on the car Mike. I'm so Jealous. You know. I tried M105 this past weekend for the first time and uhh well I wasn't too impressed. I got a better result with 83 followed by 80. But like you said it must be the paint not reacting well to it. Again great job. I hope to one day get customers like that.
                            I'm not a pro, but used 105 w/ the 8006 pad on my 350Z (Redline) this past weekend to fix the damage I'd inflicted by washing it incorrectly and using a car cover (sorry, didn't think to take pics). For me, the 105 worked awesome! I'm still learning from all you guys, but am stoked w/ the way my car came out.

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                              Re: Shelby Cobra CSX - Ferrari 360 Modena

                              Originally posted by hemin8r View Post
                              Great job on the car Mike. I'm so Jealous. You know. I tried M105 this past weekend for the first time and uhh well I wasn't too impressed. I got a better result with 83 followed by 80. But like you said it must be the paint not reacting well to it. Again great job. I hope to one day get customers like that.
                              Originally posted by CosmoTiki View Post
                              I'm not a pro, but used 105 w/ the 8006 pad on my 350Z (Redline) this past weekend to fix the damage I'd inflicted by washing it incorrectly and using a car cover (sorry, didn't think to take pics). For me, the 105 worked awesome! I'm still learning from all you guys, but am stoked w/ the way my car came out.
                              Just to address these comments a bit....

                              I spoke with Kevin Brown today and specifically mentioned the issue I had with the M105 on the Ferrari, especially my assessment of the paint seeming "dry". It turns out he has had the exact same impression of certain paints in the past, and with the advent of M105 he has also experienced the same issue I did with the Ferrari in this thread. I think this just further reinforces the concept that there is not one single product that is perfect for all circumstances and that you really need to address each project individually before starting.

                              On my 2005 Chrysler Crossfire, which I purchased in July of 2007 as a "new but leftover" vehicle (it had a mere 32 miles on the odometer) I simply could not remove any of the existing defects with M80 even on a rotary. M83 didn't do much of anything either. M105 did a simply awesome job and was pure joy to use, and very simple to remove. When we did the Alpine buff-out over the Holidays we used M105 to remove the wetsanding marks from the boat and tow vehicles - it was just incredible and left an amazing shine.

                              The same sort of situation applies with So1o as some people have found it to work great on certain older paints even though Meguiar's will tell you it is intended for use on new paint, not factory baked paint. I certainly understand their position in stating this since you can't just say a given product will give great results everywhere - that just is not realistic. There are people here who have had good success using a cutting pad on a DA, or at least worked it in to part of the process on a specific finish. I know I have, but I certainly don't make a habit of it.

                              Experimentation is good, but you need to be careful and have the skill to correct an unexpected issue brought on by that experimentation. Being the wonderfully astute and intelligent person I am ( - yeah, it's called being chicken!!) I certainly wasn't going to do any experimentation on the Ferrari.
                              Michael Stoops
                              Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                              Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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