Fixed another detail shops buff-out

[Stevens Detailing]

This BMW 550i had some deep wool pad marks in the clear coat - looks like the detail shop buffed the car with compound and a wool pad and then put on some express wax. Hey, at least I didn't have to clay it!!

Here is what it looked liked after a nice bath with Shampoo Plus -

BEFORE:






This guy thought his clear-coat was ruined...

Think Again... and this was only after #105 and a #7006 pad.

AFTER:








Here are some shots in my shop after a nice coat of #21
(sorry, the sun had gone down.)







Process:

shampoo plus bath
#105 D.A. w/ #7006 pad
#21 D.A. w/ #9006 pad
Tires got Hyper Dressing 2:1
Wheel Wells got WBD 1:1

[radicalrev]

Re: Fixed another detail shops buff-out

i thought mike said you cant use a DA on the #105 and the 7006 Pad?? any1 else can confirm with me?

[amari]

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WooooW... What a great save...

[Nick Chapman]

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i thought mike said you cant use a DA on the #105 and the 7006 Pad?? any1 else can confirm with me?

No, thats not exactly what they mean. Here is a direct quote from Mike Pennington....

"Just to re-confirm....M105 is not for use with a Dual Action Polisher.

While someone may have had it work once or twice with a Dual Action Polisher, including us during testing, the overall results and experience are not consistent to our standards. Therefore, we do not recommend it for use by Dual Action Polisher. M105 was designed specifically for a rotary buffer and a wool pad.

We know this won't stop many of you from trying it with a Dual Action Polisher, but we just want to make sure you know what the product was designed for up front, so you won't be let down."

Products work differently on different paints. Sometimes you'll find M105 will work wonders with a DA, and the next car you work on, it won't do anything.

Nick

[TwinSport]

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Great job, better than new in the end!

[Daniel Kinder]

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Great job
looks very nice!

[Sydster]

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Great job
looks very nice!

[J. A. Michaels]

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Great save. I think it looks better then new. way to go. Great reflection.

[Stevens Detailing]

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i thought mike said you cant use a DA on the #105 and the 7006 Pad?? any1 else can confirm with me?

sometimes things are said because its "not recomended." I would never recomend someone that's not a professional to do it. But to say you CAN'T do something is a limiting the potential of all the products. But again you must trust your skill level to try something.

One thing about Meguiar's product is you need to create your own artisic system for each product and vehicle. There is no cookie cutter process when using Meguiar's.

[Stevens Detailing]

Re: Fixed another detail shops buff-out

No, thats not exactly what they mean. Here is a direct quote from Mike Pennington....

"Just to re-confirm....M105 is not for use with a Dual Action Polisher.

While someone may have had it work once or twice with a Dual Action Polisher, including us during testing, the overall results and experience are not consistent to our standards. Therefore, we do not recommend it for use by Dual Action Polisher. M105 was designed specifically for a rotary buffer and a wool pad.

We know this won't stop many of you from trying it with a Dual Action Polisher, but we just want to make sure you know what the product was designed for up front, so you won't be let down."

Products work differently on different paints. Sometimes you'll find M105 will work wonders with a DA, and the next car you work on, it won't do anything.

Nick

Thanks, great explanation.

The reason I chose a D.A. and not Rotary is as some of you may know the new BMW paint is very soft and this car had already been abused very bad with the rotary. The deffects in the paint were all from the rotary so I wasnt dealing with deep scratch - just surface maring from the buffer. All I wanted to do is polish the paint but I needed that good "bite" I knew #105 would give me that. With the D.A. I'm working the surface in a different pattern than the deffects. I used the #7006 because it has the density to cut but it stil is "foam".The paint is so soft that with the right pressure,good pass speed and using last touch to really diminish the abrasives the paint was almost flawless after this step even WITH a wipe down with glass cleaner.

[yalerd]

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Looks awesome, great save bro

[radicalrev]

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did u follow up with #80 after #105??

[Stevens Detailing]

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did u follow up with #80 after #105??

Nope, went right to #21 - #80 would have backtracked from the finish I achieved with the #105.

[Mike Phillips]

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i thought mike said you cant use a DA on the #105 and the 7006 Pad?? any1 else can confirm with me?

This is correct, and just to clarify, the "Mike" being referenced above we believe is Mike Pennington, not myself, even though the answer would be the same.

Here is the answer as posted by Mike Pennington in answer to the question as to whether you can use M105 with a DA Polisher.

From this thread,

Just ordered some M105...

In an answer to a post made by Jimmy the Detailer,

I'm intrigued as well by this new compound, especially when, although not officially recommended, I've read that M105 produced excellent LSP ready results with a G100 and w9006 finishing pad!

You still can further polish with #81, for that extra ocd clean and gloss, and then onto your LSP. M105 sounds flexible, versatile and that makes it awesome!

Mike Pennington wrote,

Just to re-confirm....M105 is not for use with a Dual Action Polisher.

While someone may have had it work once or twice with a Dual Action Polisher, including us during testing, the overall results and experience are not consistent to our standards. Therefore, we do not recommend it for use by Dual Action Polisher.

M105 was designed specifically for a rotary buffer and a wool pad.

We know this won't stop many of you from trying it with a Dual Action Polisher, but we just want to make sure you know what the product was designed for up front, so you won't be let down.



Mike

That should clear up any confusion as Mike Pennington's reply was very straightforward. That said, just to make sure there is no confusion,

M105 is not formulated for use with a Dual Action Polisher.

It was formulated to be used primarily in body shops to remove sanding marks and when Professionals are removing sanding marks in the collision repair industry they are almost always using a rotary buffer, thus the reason this product was formulated for use with a rotary buffer.

Try to keep in mind when we talk about our different product lines here on this forum, (and when you read about our products on any other forum), that while there is a lot of interest by enthusiast in our Professional Line, keep in mind these products are designed and formulated for Professionals working primarily on fresh paint. This means people using primarily rotary buffers. Our Professional Line is also used in the Professional Detailing Industry, but again our compounds are designed to be used with a rotary buffer by Professional Detailers removing serious below surface defects.

It is these two markets that our compounds, including M105 are designed for, targeted at and formulated for, not the enthusiasts using a DA Polisher.


Again, at this time, M105 is for use with a rotary buffer and in some cases for Spot Areas, it can be used by hand. It was not formulated for use with a DA Polisher and at this time Meguiar's does not recommend using M105 with a DA Polisher.

Now we have had some people use M105 with a DA Polisher and they have had great results, but that doesn't mean that everyone that uses M105 with a DA Polisher is going to have the same great results, so if you decided to use M105 with a DA Polisher and you're reading this thread, then it's important that you understand it's not a Meguiar's recommendation and we can't guarantee you're going to get the results you're looking for, so you're accepting responsibility for the results on your own.

If you read about someone using M105 with a DA Polisher, understand this is a choice they made on their own, not under direction from Meguiar's.

We understand that because there's so much positive buzz about our new M105 for it's ability to remove defects while leaving a very clear and glossy finish that there's going to be a large number of people that don't use rotary buffers but instead use DA Polishers and it's only normal to want to have a product like this for use with a DA Polisher, but at this time the M105 formula is not designed for use with any DA Polisher.

Thank you for understanding...

[Tim Lingor]

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Hey,

Just to add to Mike's excellent post, M105 is a compound and therefore a follow-up polishing step is required. Now with that said, you may come across a paint where you feel that the polishing step is not required, but is the exception rather than the rule.

Tim