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    Okay, I really like brick and mortar stores because I get to touch, feel and handle the products before possibly purchasing them on the internet. Plus, I get to support the local economy when spending money. So during a casual Sunday drive on a Tuesday evening and having visited Carcare, Autozone, Advance Auto Parts, NAPA, O-O-O-O'Reilly's, there sits in the middle of a cornfield...Arnold's Auto Parts. I haven't been to one of those yet.

    I walk in and there it is...Mequiar's nirvana. A row of those cream colored bottles...a numerical gold mine...be still my heart...numbers from double-zero up to...yes...up to 205. Holy Cow...BP thinks they've hit oil...I'm weak at the knees from my discovery. Plus a row of red bottles, a row of black bottles and squirt bottles of blue, pink and clear liquids.

    I wonder around to look on other side of the shelf and my gosh there's pads. Holy Moses, there's more numbered products and get this...all three colors!! Meguiar's brushes, Meguiar's microfiber...still not that elusive waffle weave, but by golly there's those famous yellow microfiber towels. No, no, no, wait...there's a Mequiar's buffer. Rats, my wife had warned me...NO credit cards. I could feel that leash tighten around my throat!

    Okay, okay be still my heart I've got 30 bucks burning a hole in my pocket. How, oh how, will I spend it...

    Once again I look up and down the perfectly spaced row of cream colored product bottles, when there it is. I spy that bottle for the second time and it hits me like lightning bolt....that's 205. That product I've only been able to dream about, that product made in some black magic laboratory in Irvine, that product stored in a room that only Mr. Stoops has the key...yes it's the product with the "S" on it's chest. No not Superman...it's SuperMicroAbrasiveTechnology...oh my gosh....it's 205. But wait, there too in that perfectly spaced row of cream colored numerically labeled bottles is the other end of Super line. Yes, Yes, it's 105!! Oh no, my knees buckle, I fall to the floor, as I fall I hear in the background the clerk dialing 911 on the phone and shouting, "...when will these noobie's learn...". Moments later, in what seemed like hours, I was being awakened outdoors by a man in a shirt with "Arnold's" embossed on the front, shaking his finger at me shouting once again. "Kid, kid, wake up, wake up, don't come in here again until you can "man up".

    Okay, I gather myself together, I reach in my pocket and grab that single 20 dollar bill wrapped so carefully around my last 10 dollar bill. I rush into the store, I grab the bottle of 205, I throw the money at the clerk, I said, "keep the change" and as I turn to bolt out the door he says, "there's tax on that, you're short".

    Out to the car, I humble myself once again to my wife, as she sits reading some online article on her phone about husbands and their additions. "Please dear I need a dollar, it's their last bottle of 205". While avoiding any eye contact at all, she drops the dollar to the ground to watch as I grovel at her feet.

    Transaction made, 205 in my possession. Now the long drive home, while I ponder what magical words of wisdom the bottle label can impart.


    Okay, now for my question:
    Is the use of another polish, say #7, on top of #205 a waste of time and product before using a wax? Or did I just ask a question like when shopping at Porsche, if you have to ask the price you can't afford it. Is 7 on top of 205 redundant?

    If it ever stops raining, I'm going to try it on the roof of my car where experiments can be made without people seeing my mistakes. I'm thinking wash, clay, Ultimate Compound, #205, then #26. #7 after #205 if it would make a difference over black.

    Thanks,

    "fishing for swirls in a sea of black"
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    David

  • #2
    Re: First Encounter with 205

    You lucky thing! I wish we had a store like that here. I googled Arnold's Auto Parts Missouri and I found dealers in Arnold, MO. Oh well. Congrats on your discovery!

    My understanding is #7 will enhance the shine on dark-colored cars even that are well prepped, when you are following it with #26. But if I were you I'd try it both ways and see if you think it is worth the extra step.

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    • #3
      Re: First Encounter with 205

      There are so many quotes I'd like to pull from this, but it'd just be too many. I have to say thanks for this Wednesday morning laugh! You certainly had me going!

      In all seriousness, though, I WISH we had a store like that here in Rhode Island. I'm the same way as you: I like to feel the bottle in my hand - it makes me feel better about buying it (even if I end up paying more). Plus you get the satisfaction of having it instantly instead of waiting for the product to be shipped.

      Matt
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      • #4
        Re: First Encounter with 205

        Originally posted by wifpd4 View Post
        I walk in and there it is...Mequiar's nirvana. A row of those cream colored bottles...a numerical gold mine...be still my heart...numbers from double-zero up to...yes...up to 205. Holy Cow...BP thinks they've hit oil...I'm weak at the knees from my discovery. Plus a row of red bottles, a row of black bottles and squirt bottles of blue, pink and clear liquids.

        I wonder around to look on other side of the shelf and my gosh there's pads. Holy Moses, there's more numbered products and get this...all three colors!! Meguiar's brushes, Meguiar's microfiber...still not that elusive waffle weave, but by golly there's those famous yellow microfiber towels. No, no, no, wait...there's a Mequiar's buffer. Rats, my wife had warned me...NO credit cards. I could feel that leash tighten around my throat!
        And so how does one spell "agony"?

        Originally posted by wifpd4 View Post
        I've got 30 bucks burning a hole in my pocket.
        This could be the next verse from that Alanis Morissette song "Ironic"
        Michael Stoops
        Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

        Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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        • #5
          Re: First Encounter with 205

          OMG....I put this in "Product Reviews" category, with this mistake I'll continue in my noob rating. Perhaps tomorrow or as soon as it stops raining (it started at 2AM and it's still raining now at 2PM), I'll create a noob's review of #205. It will of course be no where near the quality of reviews usually found in this section.


          I feel I should be working on building an Ark.

          "fishing for swirls in a sea of black"
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          David

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          • #6
            Re: First Encounter with 205

            David, when you're ready to write the review of M205 just do so right in this thread - it will fit perfectly with the title and it will be in the correct section. If anything, it will make it look like you planned it all along, which we're sure you did anyway.


            As to your question RE: M07 and M205 used together - well, it's probably overkill since M205 is a finishing polish that adds gloss as well as plenty of clarity. Still, if you try and you like it, and you find the extra work worth the effort, then by all means have at it. On a daily driver, however, we're inclined to think that M205 will stand on its merits. Finish with M26 as you have been doing.
            Michael Stoops
            Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

            Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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            • #7
              Re: First Encounter with 205

              Great find and great story! Very entertaining!

              I once put swirls in my paint just to see what it looked like.

              I don't always detail cars, but when I do, I prefer Meguiar's.
              Remove swirls my friends.

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              • #8
                Re: First Encounter with 205

                Great story. It made my day. I need a chuckle these days.
                quality creates its own demand

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                • #9
                  Re: First Encounter with 205

                  Put quite simply here is my review of #205…HOLY COW is this stuff great or what!!

                  I took two doors on the car and used two different techniques and products
                  Rear - Ultimate Compound twice, followed with #7, followed with #26
                  Front - #205 twice, followed with #26.

                  To make the processes as "fair" as possible, the car was washed with Gold Class and clayed prior to placing the divider tape between the doors. The goal was shine enhancement and not corrective work.

                  Step One - Rear Passenger and Front Passenger Doors Clay Barred
                  Step Two - Ultimate Compound - Rear Door - Spd 4.5 and passionate
                  Step Three - #205 - Front Door - Spd 4.5 and passionate
                  Step Four - Ultimate Compound - Rear Door - Spd 3 and extremely gentle
                  Step Five - #205 - Front Door - Spd 3 and extremely gentle
                  Step Six - #7 - Rear Door - Spd 3 and work it.
                  Step Seven - #26 Both Doors and done.
                  (passionate - pressing hard, enough to slow PC)
                  (gentle - using just enough pressure to hold PC to door)

                  After reading some other reviews and reading the label on the bottle, I was thinking this product is not for noobies. A professional product for professionals. I still believe that for corrective work, that is very true.

                  A couple of minutes of use, I'm thinking "Holy Cow, this stuff works easily". I may not be using it correctly for any corrective work but for creating a shine and reflections the process worked great.

                  #205 seems a little more "creamy" than Ultimate Compound. It's white and works easily into clear (at least on black). It removes incredibly easy.

                  On the rear door, I used Ultimate Compound followed by #7. Perhaps I don't have the correct technique for #7, but I find it time consuming to remove. It maybe a matter of my putting it on too thick or working it too long. To me #7 seems labor intensive.

                  For me, #205 applies easily and removes so much easier than #7.

                  I had my wife be an impartial participant in the experiment. The mail carrier also stopped by and offered an opinion. It was difficult for me to offer an opinion as my expectations for #205 were extremely high and for me it was a self-fulling prophecy. I got what I expected.

                  Both my wife and the mail carrier felt the #205 door had a little more shine. We grabbed the sheet of paper with our backwards Meguiar's logo and evaluated the reflection. As my wife described the reflection it had "more clarity" or "sharpness". I also allowed her to wipe off the #26 and she felt the surface was smoother or slick on the #205 door. I thought the same thing, but don't understand the dynamics of this sensation when both doors were cleaned and clayed in the same fashion and at nearly the same time.

                  Unfortunately the photos do not show the minute difference in shine and texture. The sun was coming out and going behind clouds repeatedly during the process, altering each photograph.

                  However the ease of use, the time savings in using #205 far outweigh any possible shine advantages from using #7 (If there is an advantage). What I don't know is whether there are any longevity or even short term advantages to using #7 over #205.

                  If #105 is anywhere near the easy product to use as #205, no wonder it is such a popular combination.

                  I cannot give any impressions regarding the corrective abilities of #205. Although any minor scratches or swirls disappeared when I spent any additional (albeit short time) on them.

                  I wish I had weighed the bottle before I started to determine how much #205 I had used on the entire car and whether you all felt that was too much or too little.

                  Two thumbs up from me. If it were not a 100 mile drive, I would beg my wife for a few more bucks and grab a bottle of #105. Although I still question if my skill level is up to the task and whether I should stick to Ultimate Compound and become better with it before climbing the product ladder.

                  Step One - Rear Passenger and Front Passenger Doors Clay Barred




                  Step Two - Ultimate Compound - Rear Door - Spd 4.5, passionate, yellow pad





                  Step Three - #205 - Front Door - Spd 4.5, passionate, yellow pad




                  Step Four - Ultimate Compound - Rear Door - Spd 3, extremely gentle, black pad





                  Step Five - #205 - Front Door - Spd 3, extremely gentle, black pad





                  Step Six - #7 - Rear Door - Spd 3, black pad and work it.





                  Step Seven - #26 Both Doors, black pad and done.



                  Other reviews indicate pads should be changed when using #205. I didn't feel that need as one pad lasted for the entire car and I didn't have any caking of product.

                  As always, my respect for you professional detailers grows considerably after spending an entire day doing one vehicle.

                  "fishing for swirls in a sea of black"
                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                  David

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                  • #10
                    Re: First Encounter with 205

                    Great review!

                    How did you like the long working time of M205? For future reference, I find it extremely useful in pulling out those light swirls.
                    Tedrow's Detailing
                    845-642-1698
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                    • #11
                      Re: First Encounter with 205

                      It should not come as a surprise to you that 205 (a finishing polish) finished down nicer than Ultimate Compoud (a compound, lol) :P

                      If you weren't trying to use 205 to correct any micro-marring or anything like that and just using it to smooth out the paint and bring out a shine then it doesn't surprise me that a single pad was all you needed. You tend to need to switch pads as you do slow, more agressive corrective work that tends to create more of a product buildup on the pad.
                      Shawn - Final Touch Auto Detail
                      Houston Area Mobile Detailing
                      www.FinalTouchAutoDetail.com

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                      • #12
                        Re: First Encounter with 205

                        Originally posted by coopers23 View Post
                        Great review!

                        How did you like the long working time of M205? For future reference, I find it extremely useful in pulling out those light swirls.
                        I was trying to keep the comparison reasonably similar so I tried to match the number of passes I made with #205 to the number of passes I had made with Ultimate Compound. But yes, #205 would continue to be workable. I tried to work in small areas of the doors, but I think I could have worked an entire door with #205 and still not struggled to wipe it off when done.

                        Wiping it off is what surprised me, especially compared to #7. #205 would become difficult if left "open" too long, but nothing compared to #7. Doing a whole door with #7 would have meant using Quik Detailer to get off the residue.

                        I didn't do an inspection before starting, but found some defects as I worked around the car and #205 took out most if not all of them.

                        I even used it to work over the clear bra, but it was the last thing of the day and getting late. So I will be inspecting how that turned out some time later this morning.

                        Someone will need to explain to me why I would continue to use #7, when #205 is such a dream to use and has such a great end result. Is #7 a better polish or rather a pure polish providing a better source of oils? Perhaps cost is the factor?

                        "fishing for swirls in a sea of black"
                        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                        David

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                        • #13
                          Re: First Encounter with 205

                          07 is a Pure Polish/Glaze
                          205 is an Abrasive Polish

                          They serve different purposes ultimately.

                          If you have no need for an abrasive to be applied then you can quickly spread a glaze with less work-time than an abrasive polish.
                          Shawn - Final Touch Auto Detail
                          Houston Area Mobile Detailing
                          www.FinalTouchAutoDetail.com

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                          • #14
                            Re: First Encounter with 205

                            Originally posted by FinalTouchDetail View Post

                            If you have no need for an abrasive to be applied then you can quickly spread a glaze with less work-time than an abrasive polish.
                            For me, repeat...for me a complete noob, the last part of that sentence is not true. #205 was faster to apply and remove then #7 and the end result, again for me, was slightly better with #205. This however could be related to my poor techniques with #7. Perhaps at 66% humidity yesterday, I should have been using #5.

                            "fishing for swirls in a sea of black"
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                            David

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                            • #15
                              Re: First Encounter with 205

                              Perhaps you were not applying/removing #07 correctly.

                              It needs to be applied VERY thin and when removed it doen't come off like a typical polish or wax. It creates something almost like a layer of skin that needs to be removed in a fashion that is different than simply "buffing" off the excess dried residue.

                              M205 doesn't really get "applied" as it gets "worked in" to allow the abrasives to refine the clearcoat. Doing this properly takes considerably more time than spreading a glaze.
                              Shawn - Final Touch Auto Detail
                              Houston Area Mobile Detailing
                              www.FinalTouchAutoDetail.com

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