**New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

[Mike Pennington]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

The problem is that the abrasive can easily be "extracted" from the solution (I'm sure your competitors have). Unlike waxes/sealants, polishes are much easier to reverse engineer, as the only real mystery is in the lubrication and oil in the polish, and even then its not as difficult as most lsp's, where the mixing temperatures and pressures are more guess work.

We wish them luck

M105 seems to defy a couple of Meguiar's previous logics, one that diminishing abrasives are better. I understand technology moves forward, and I for one am excited to see Meguiar's leading the pack!

Thank you, but we are definitely not abandoning our "Diminishing Abrasive Technology" which we started offering in 1901. In fact, if you look back at time, and compare our technology to some of the "Rocks in a Bottle" that were available back in time, our "Diminishing Abrasive Technology" was far superior. However, due to our advances in technology ( yes we do have our own lab and full staff of chemists on site here in Irvine, Ca) as well as paint technology, we discovered a new solution for this type of product / customer (M105 that is). With that said, we still strongly believe in all of our products that contain our "Diminishing Abrasives" and we will continue to to utilize our "Diminishing Abrasive Technology" in the future in the right products.

I am also curious as why (as Tim stated) the product is worked until it is broken down, when it doesn't break down? Also, the abrasives that initially cut the paint (at a rate of 12) would also leave micro marring if they are still that aggressive during wipe off.

There are so many more factors that go into "cutting" than just the "size" of the abrasive. That is the information that is propriety.

I understand that you guys won't go into detail and understand the reasons why, but from the the numerous formulators I have spoken with, they have assured me that the reality is that the abrasives are breaking down, whether they are called "diminishing" or not.

You are right...in the big picture most everything breaks down over time including the road we drive on....However, there are variables in our formulations where the time it takes to "breakdown" can be controlled 100%. For example, is it 3 passes or 300 passes with a rotary buffer to get that "breakdown" effect you refer to. Therefore, our non diminishing abrasive technology is far different than our diminishing abrasive technology.

Thanks though and I look forward to giving M105 a try.

Great ! We look forward to your thoughts when you actually try M105


Now...with all that said, lets just let M105 prove itself in the eyes of each user, and we ask that this thread not get any further sideways.

This thread was originally a GREAT review by Tim, and lets let is get back to that.

Thanks in advance.

Mike

[Jason Rose]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

WELL THANKS A LOT, Jason!

I look like a fool now.. I BELIEVED you when you told me...

"I mixed in Pixie Dust, Kevin. Shhhhhh..."

Ha-ha. Very funny.

Well, thanks a lot Kevin. You told the world about our secret ingredient. Now I'll have to answer to all the candy stores that have no Pixie Dust because we cornered the supply!

[Nick Chapman]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

Finishing up a vehicle right now, all with M105 and a rotary. Just changing pads. I'll have the results up in a day or so.

Nick

[RDVT4ME]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

It's magic!

No other way to define it.

[Tim Lingor]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

The problem is that the abrasive can easily be "extracted" from the solution (I'm sure your competitors have). Unlike waxes/sealants, polishes are much easier to reverse engineer, as the only real mystery is in the lubrication and oil in the polish, and even then its not as difficult as most lsp's, where the mixing tempatures and pressures are more guess work.

M105 seems to defy a couple of Meguiar's previous logics, one that diminishing abrasives are better. I understand technology moves forward, and I for one am excited to see Meguiars leading the pack!

I am also curious as why (as Tim stated) the product is worked until it is broken down, when it doesn't break down? Also, the abrasives that intially cut the paint (at a rate of 12) would also leave micromarring if they are still that aggresive during wipe off. I understand that you guys won't go into detail and understand the reasons why, but from the the numerous formulators I have spoken with, they have assured me that the reality is that the abrasives are breaking down, whether they are called "diminishing" or not.

Thanks though and I look forward to giving M105 a try.

No, I actually said:

I worked the product like I would any other...I worked it until it was a light residue and then wiped it off. It worked extremely well and it left the finish very clear.

I did not say the product "broke down" as I simply do not know that it has. Using a rotary spinning at 1500rpm, I have yet to come across a product after all of these years that does not become a film due to things like the pad absorbing the product, the by product of heat evaporating some of the mixture etc...

I also said that the product requires the use of a follow up polishing step as it is a compound and not a polish. I used Meguiar's M02 to further refine the finish.

I am not a chemist. But I do know the product works extremely well and that is all I was trying to transmit via my review...

Tim

[TH0001]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

Mike said it best in the above post, I agree 100%.

I wanted to add...I'm so pumped about the curiousity and buzz about M105 Ultra-Cut Compound! If you've used it, you wonder "how can this stuff take that level of paint defect out so fast AND leave such a clear/glossy finish... making the second step with a Meguiar's polish fast & easy???"
And if you haven't used it, you're curious what others are raving about!

I understand being curious HOW M105 works. I am that kind of person too. I want to know how products work. I have built my career on that curiosity...and probably the main reason I am the Field Marketing Manager of Professional products for Meguiar's.

But in this case, exactly how M105 works will be a mystery for you...not because we want to torture you... We simply have to be mindful of what we share about our formulations on an open forum.

I will say this...as a former detailer, I sure wish I had M105 when I was in the business!!!!!!!

The problem is that the abrasive can easily be "extracted" from the solution (I'm sure your competitors have). Unlike waxes/sealants, polishes are much easier to reverse engineer, as the only real mystery is in the lubrication and oil in the polish, and even then its not as difficult as most lsp's, where the mixing tempatures and pressures are more guess work.

M105 seems to defy a couple of Meguiar's previous logics, one that diminishing abrasives are better. I understand technology moves forward, and I for one am excited to see Meguiars leading the pack!

I am also curious as why (as Tim stated) the product is worked until it is broken down, when it doesn't break down? Also, the abrasives that intially cut the paint (at a rate of 12) would also leave micromarring if they are still that aggresive during wipe off. I understand that you guys won't go into detail and understand the reasons why, but from the the numerous formulators I have spoken with, they have assured me that the reality is that the abrasives are breaking down, whether they are called "diminishing" or not.

Thanks though and I look forward to giving M105 a try.

[epoch_02]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

Great little review, we arn't getting it in the UK at present but i have arranged for a little sample to come my way, looking forward to it now.

[Tim Lingor]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

Those that know me completely know to which extent my curiosity on how things work goes. Otherwise I wouldn't have done some things I have done and disassembled some things I have disassembled. However, sometimes I am also completely practical in approach and do not stop to inquire at every single step to the goal. I work in the IT field. I am daily depending on things like networking, attached storage, etc, to be working as advertised. I do not have PhD in each and every single area, it is humanly impossible. I don't even venture it. I just trust people whose shoulders I am standing on.

Same goes when it comes to polishes. While discussions on what makes them tick are engaging in the end it does not matter to me, all I care about in the end is that they work and final result, and in case of M105 that it works incredible as so well illustrated by Tim's great review here (thank you Tim!) and threads/posts by others that have used it too (thank you!).

M105 is one of very few recent products that I actually couldn't wait to get and that I found worth every single happily spent penny on.

So, thank you Meguiar's, thank you development team, thank you giants whose shoulders we are standing on, for M105. It just plain works.

Thank you Zoran, I really appreciate that!

Tim

[Tim Lingor]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

I agree but who is the ugly guy in the pics?

It is so ON now!

Tim

[Justin Murphy]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

I simply can't wait for my 105 to get here now!

Thanks for this post again.

[ZoranC]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

Those that know me completely know to which extent my curiosity on how things work goes. Otherwise I wouldn't have done some things I have done and disassembled some things I have disassembled. However, sometimes I am also completely practical in approach and do not stop to inquire at every single step to the goal. I work in the IT field. I am daily depending on things like networking, attached storage, etc, to be working as advertised. I do not have PhD in each and every single area, it is humanly impossible. I don't even venture it. I just trust people whose shoulders I am standing on.

Same goes when it comes to polishes. While discussions on what makes them tick are engaging in the end it does not matter to me, all I care about in the end is that they work and final result, and in case of M105 that it works incredible as so well illustrated by Tim's great review here (thank you Tim!) and threads/posts by others that have used it too (thank you!).

M105 is one of very few recent products that I actually couldn't wait to get and that I found worth every single happily spent penny on.

So, thank you Meguiar's, thank you development team, thank you giants whose shoulders we are standing on, for M105. It just plain works.

[Superior Shine]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

Tim- Another great write-up.
I like your write-ups because the pictures you shoot are excellent, the writing is easy to follow, you always have a good intro, a thorough evaluation, and a great conclusion...

I agree but who is the ugly guy in the pics?

[Tim Lingor]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

Tim- Another great write-up.
I like your write-ups because the pictures you shoot are excellent, the writing is easy to follow, you always have a good intro, a thorough evaluation, and a great conclusion...

Can you link some of the older write-ups, or make a folder that includes write-ups such as this?
It could include the write-ups that you & Mike Phillips have done (and others that are worthy).

My favorite is the one when you polished your aluminum boat.

Thanks Kevin for the kind words!

Sure, I can put something togther of the various write-ups. I will see what I can up with...

Thanks again!

Tim

[Kevin Brown]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

Tim- Another great write-up.
I like your write-ups because the pictures you shoot are excellent, the writing is easy to follow, you always have a good intro, a thorough evaluation, and a great conclusion...

Can you link some of the older write-ups, or make a folder that includes write-ups such as this?
It could include the write-ups that you & Mike Phillips have done (and others that are worthy).

My favorite is the one when you polished your aluminum boat.

[Kevin Brown]

Re: **New** Meguiar's #105 Ultra Cut Compound Review!!!!

WELL THANKS A LOT, Jason!

I look like a fool now.. I BELIEVED you when you told me...

"I mixed in Pixie Dust, Kevin. Shhhhhh..."

Ha-ha. Very funny.