Dissapointed

[SteveT]

Re: Disappointed

Originally posted by Wingsof66
Hi again.
After 3 years in selling Meguiar's-products, they should be having enough market share to lower their prices. Instead they have increased almost 60%. From 76 dollar for a bottle #83 DACP 320z, when I bought mine 3 years ago, untill 127 dollar today.
Remember those American-style retractible camping/hunting-chairs that came on the market a few years ago. They where around 80-100 dollars a piece to begin with, and now you can get them for around 20-30 dollars.

That is absolutely disgusting. I would encourage you to contact whatever legal authorities are in charge of that area. Maybe they will lay charges for what is obviously a crime. (If it's not it should be)

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by stevet
That closed thread is supposed to be reopened today.

Steve,

I didn't receive an answer today, so I had nothing to post and as such I didn't re-open the thread because too many people couldn't voice their thoughts without being rude. Let's try not to go that direction with this thread or I'll close it too.

I hear your frustrations, but just to make it very clear once and for all,

This forum is for questions on products and process, it is for the purpose of helping people get the best results from their time, money and efforts using Meguiar's products.

I will get you a dedicated e-mail, or mailing address to voice your concerns over distribution and pricing.

[SteveT]

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
Steve,

I will get you a dedicated e-mail, or mailing address to voice your concerns over distribution and pricing.

No thanks. Like I said in my first post in this thread I think Megs knows exactly whats going on with pricing in other country's and couldn't care less. I really don't want to exchange e-mails with insincere people. It would just be an exercise in stupidity.

Mike you do a good job on this forum and I know you have people to answer to. I have no doubt that they have been in contact with you about these threads. It was not my intent to put you between a rock and a hard place.

[Mike Phillips]

Okay zipperno... have at it!

zipperno wrote on Jun 8th, 2005 09:01 AM:
Hi

Wheres the "Dissapointed" thread gone?? It was in the Customer service hot line section.

Do you delete threads?

//Tom

Only when people try to use this forum to cause strife instead of help people get the best results possible from their time, money and efforts. With your half dozen posts, are you here to help out, or hurt?

[Mike Phillips]

Here's an example of what our forum is for and what I can do in my capacity,

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Originally posted by Solus
Hi there, well its me again guys, look i been using 3M products and they work good, i just use the Perfect-It II Rubbing compound and the swirl remover, but now i am interest on using Meguiar's and i found Fine Cut , Medium Cut and Heavy cut cleaners, which i don't know why i think are similar as Dual action cleaner/polish, compound power cleaner, and diamond cut compound.

Hi Solus,

Welcome to Meguiar's Online!

The questions is what is the difference between them, i mean i know fine is light compound and heavy is aggressive as dual action is light compound and diamond is the aggressive one, but why there are like 2 light compounds and 2 abrasives, is that because of different paints? like the ones of th body shops that sometimes are harder cuz of too much hardness and cheap paint, and that the stock ones are soft? Or is just preference or what would be a difference?

The primary difference is they type of diminishing abrasive they use, at least that's the difference most people would notice when using them. All of these products, M01, M02, M04, M85, M84, M83, M82, M80, can be used on either clearcoated finishes, or non-clearcoated finishes. The 80's series are more modern technology based upon Meguiar's experience formulating products used at the OEM level.

Both types of products work well when used according to directions on the label and which one works best for you will be based upon your personal preferences.

I'm sure a lot of you guys have used these products would you share with me some of your experience with them? plus comments.

I think Travis has contributed a lot to this thread already, thank you Travis!

Sometimes you have to work on the Sun because theres no shade, also many compounds dry too fast cuz of the hot surface and evaporate leaving all sticky the compound on the paint, i don't know if this happens with these compounds.

There are no compounds, paint cleaners, cleaner/polishes or pure polishes manufactured by Meguiar's specifically formulated for use in direct sunlight on automotive paints. The sun, or more specifically, the heat created by sunlight will increase surface temperature of the finish and make any product more difficult to work with and affect the performance of the product dramatically. Meguiar's always recommends working on a cool surface in the shade. We understand that when doing mobile detailing work, this isn't always possible, one solution is to do what Joe of
Superior Shine Mobil Auto Detailing does and that is to use a portable canopy when working in direct sunlight.



You can check out Joe's most excellent before and after write-up on how he removed the swirls in the finish of the black BMW using Meguiar's compounds, polishes and waxes in the below thread. (If the below makeover doesn't knock your socks off, nothing will!)

BMW 745il Extreme Make-Over

Also do they hide swirl marks?

Meguiar's compounds, paint cleaners and cleaner/polishes all use Meguiar's Diminishing Abrasive Technology. When used correctly, the diminishing abrasive technology Meguiar's has pioneered since 1901 and continues to improve today, will do two things,

• 1. Remove the below surface defects, swirls, sanding marks, etchings, oxidation, etc.
  2. Remove their own marks as they reduce in size and polish out

like i like to wash the car with a sponge after compound and polish just with water to remove all the dust left by compounding and polishing, and then after that i glaze it and protect it with a pure wax or polymer.(depending on the color)

I been detailing for 2 years started with a rotary buffer burning some paints :P but well i have worked on 2 detail shops and a mobile detail, and i got some experience from there, also by doing some side jobs. I don't burn paint anymore

I would recommend reading the below two threads in the Hot Topics because they discuss in detail working what can and what cannot be done with a rotary buffer as far as creating a swirl free finish.

Need HELP! - How to avoid holograms?

How to avoid swirls and holograms?

In the end, in order to guarantee a completely swirl free finish on a dark colored paint in bright lights, you're going to need to re-polish each panel either by hand or with a dual action polisher to insure any remaining minor swirls induced by the direct drive circular contact between your pad of choice on a rotary buffer and the paint are completely removed. That, or use a coating or two of wax to insure any remaining holograms or swirls are eliminated.

Read the above two threads as there is a lot of good information in them that would not be efficient to try to re-post into this thread.

Here is one example of a selection of products you can start out with when switching over to Meguiar's from 3M. This is not you're only option, but I'm trying to keep it simple with only a few products for you to experiment with.

The M84 Compound Power Cleaner is an easy product to use with a lot of play time. It is formulated to be used with foam pads, not wool pads, so you can avoid using wool and thus avoid instilling wool fiber swirls.

The M80 Speed Glaze is a light cleaner/polish that will remove fine swirls with our W-8006 polishing pad. The key to making this product remove any leftover swirls from the M84 Compound Power Cleaner is to make sure you buff the M84 completely so that you have broken all of the diminishing abrasives down completely. This is the trick to not leaving behind any deeper swirls with Meguiar's compounds. (Don't buff to a dry buff however).

The M80 Speed Glaze is also easy to work with, offers a lot of play time, and easy to wipe off. You can then also use it with the dual action polisher to insure there are no remaining swirls. M80 Speed Glaze produces a very, very, clear and glossy finish, perfect for applying your LSP to.

Again, the below recommendations are not the only products or method of tackling every car, but it is a system that will work on most cars that you will come across and 99.9% of the time, it will produce professional results you can be proud of and your customers will love you for and recommend you to their friends.

It's also the system I used to remove the swirls on this clearcoated Corvette and restore a swirl-free, crystal clear finish.

1999 Corvette - Remove Swirls and Scratches


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First Step Products and Process
Rotary Buffer for removing serious below surface defects,

Compound Power Cleaner
SOFTBUFFâ„¢ Cutting Pad



Second Step Products and Process
Rotary buffer for removing any residual swirls or haze left by the first step process.

Speed Glaze
Soft Buff® Foam Polishing Pads




Third Step Products and Process
Dual Action Polisher to insure a completely swirl free finish in direct sun or bright lights.

Electric Dual Action Polisher
Speed Glaze
Soft Buff® Foam Polishing Pads



At this step, use the above same products that you used with a rotary buffer in your second step process, only now substitute a different machine to apply them with. For this step, use a dual action polisher to re-polish each panel using the oscillating action of this type of machine to polish and remove any remaining swirls left by the rotary buffer to insure a completely swirl-free finish.





Last Step Products and Process
By hand or using a dual action polisher to apply your choice of wax, also known as your L.S.P., Last Step Product, this is the last product you apply and remove before standing back and saying to yourself, it is finished. Then, turn the car back over to the excited owner!

Electric Dual Action Polisher
SOFTBUFFâ„¢ Finishing Pad





Meguiar's LSP's

Here are a few options for last step products if you've performed a multiple-step process as outlined above.

NXT Generation„¢ Tech Wax



NXT Generation„¢ Tech Wax Paste



Gold Class Clear Coat Car Wax



Deep Crystal System Carnauba Wax



Hi-Tech Yellow Wax




Synthetic Sealant




Polymer Sealant



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This reply took a little while to write, I hope it helps...




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We don't delete posts on this forum as a practice, and we don't appreciate anyone that insinuates that we do. At the same time, the majority of people on this forum are either genuinely looking for help for their car, or genuinely trying to help someone who's working on a car.

Which group are you in?

[zipperno]

Bye, bye

Thanks Mike!

First I just need to say that closing threads is kinda working against you. People who are all ready dissapointed wiith megs arnt going to be happy when you shut em up.....

I dont have much to add about how dissapointed we are in Norway. Megs have great products but availability and pricing *****!!!!! I cant see how Megs are going to expand in this country with this "plan".

Im importing Megs products from the US, I just got a 40 lbs. package today. Guess what, even with shipping and tax the price is half of what it would have been here. So Megs Norway, bye bye.....

//Tom

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Bye, bye

Originally posted by zipperno
Thanks Mike!

First I just need to say that closing threads is kinda working against you. People who are all ready disappointed with megs arnt going to be happy when you shut em up.....

Don't forget this forum, just like every other quality forum has rules, as long as all the members abide by the rules, there will no problems, when a person, or a group of people start breaking the rules, then the consequences for their actions will result in action. Here are some of the forum rules, please be mindful of 3, 4 and 11

Meguiar's Online Member Rules!

1. No personal attacks toward members will be tolerated.

2. No arguing with Moderators or Administrators.

3. You are welcome to disagree but you must be polite.

4. No bashing any company or their products.

7. Keep language "G Rated", this includes insinuations.

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11. Continuously breaking the rules to disrupt the Online community will result in you being banned from the forum with little or no warning.


Justice for Breaking the Rules - Color Code:
We are human and we all make mistakes, however, there will be consequences for your actions as follows:

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I don't have much to add about how disappointed we are in Norway. Megs have great products but availability and pricing ****! (Edited for bad language -Mike)

I cant see how Megs are going to expand in this country with this "plan".

I'm importing Megs products from the US, I just got a 40 lbs. package today. Guess what, even with shipping and tax the price is half of what it would have been here. So Megs Norway, bye bye.....

//Tom

As I've said before, I have passed this thread on to management, they are aware of your concerns. All the people involved with these issues have also been made aware. At this point, you've had an impact, don't diminish your voice by breaking forum rules and causing this thread, or any thread to be closed or moved.

Thank you.

[JeffM]

If anyone would be on your side, it would be Mike. He might be your only link to someone that could help you guys out over there, i wouldnt irritate him

[zipperno]

Just for the record.........

I have nothing against Mike or any moderators. They do a great job with this forum.

And I also feel that I havent been "out of line" regarding forum rules ever. So please dont give me a lesson i forum rules.......I have done nothingh wrong.




//Tom

[Tim Lingor]

Tom,

As Mike pointed out, people tend to listen objectively when the tone of a complaint is tempered with respect. Your choice of wording comes across as argumenative which may not be your intent. Never-the-less, that is the tone that is being preceived. Further, forum rules will be enforced and are not debatable in terms of degree or intent. Mike or I have to make judgement calls and we will do so only when need be.

Now back to detailing.... I hate having to be a cranky Mod.

Tim