#20 #6 #26 #7 ??Questions??

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by SVT4ME
Mike, I was reffering not to the part number but the number after the = sign

These are simply the abrasive levels according to what Meguiars puts on the bottles.

Whoops... my mistake.

Sorry about that. For years and years, people confuse the part number with the aggressiveness of the product. Good catch. That said, then application material and method would be factors to consider as well as paint hardness.

Mike

[Don]

Originally posted by SVT4ME
Mike, I was reffering not to the part number but the number after the = sign

These are simply the abrasive levels according to what Meguiars puts on the bottles.

I think he'll figure that out shortly...poor Mikey didn't even get to rest on his birthday and I think he's suffering from a "film build" of wax on the brain at the moment (AKA Brain Fart) :p

[txz28]

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
New Car Glaze is a good polish, but Deep Crystal Step-2 or #81 Hand Polish will probably give better results for this application.

Mike

I thought that glazes were not really polishes. I thought glazes were more fillers than abrasives. What is the differnce in Meguiar's parlance?

[breastroker]

Mike,
I was the one who posted those numbers at autopia, I was hoping you with your knowledge would sorts these out in order of aggressiveness. Looking at the Pro Catalog there is no way we could figure out the true abrassiveness of these products without your help.

I used the numbers on the bottles from the latest Professional Product Guide. By the way, this catalog and the latest Brilliant Sollutions No 316 are great catalogs.

Just for home use most of us would like some recommendations beyond what is in the catalogs. Like

1) #83 DACP/#82 - depending on severity of paint defects

2) #9/#80 - step down from above

3) #3/#5/#7/#81 - final polish before sealant

4) Medallion/#20/NXT/#26

Many of us just go the the local car store and look for Meguiars products. With one year old Mercedes metallic paint I had swirls, unfortunately the #7 I bought did not completely remove them. I bought some #83 from Jeff at Meguiars, but still think I should use some #80 after the 83 next time. They will have to pry the NXT wax from my cold dead hands, it is great.

Meguirs should insist dealers like Kragen and Autozone include Quick clay, and at least some real polish before the NXT wax. Autozone did not even have microfiber towels

[Mike Phillips]

Hi breastroker

(Tell me you used to be a swimmer?)

I will work on an abrasive scale for Meguiar's products. I'm glad you like the NXT Tech Wax, I do also and haven't tried anyting I like better in Meguiar's line, or anyone elses line for that matter.

The new clay is pretty good in the Meguiar's Quik Clay System. I used it for the Bronco II before and after and it worked great.

It's a been a busy day with my son's birthday and it's Valentines day, evening now. So I must pay some attention to my Valentine. I will get back to you on the questions you list.

Mike

[breastroker]

Still am a swimmer, masters swimming is from 18 to 103 (oldest).
My grandsons birthday, one year old.

Hope your wife and your family had a great Valentines day. As much time as you spend with detailing, you need to spend time with them first.

Take your time, I am sure many people want to know the whole scoop on the Meguiars line of compounds, polishes etc.

Once they get that retail store at Irvine headquarters open we can get all the correct stuff.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by breastroker
Still am a swimmer, masters swimming is from 18 to 103 (oldest).

I was in Masters for years after college. Actualy qualified for 5 events in the 1992 Paralympics.

100 Meter I.M.
100 Meter Breastroke
100 Meter Freestyle
200 Meter Freestyle
400 Meter Freestyle

Distance swimming is my favorite. Now a days I can't find a pool to work out in or I'd be there every morning.

My grandsons birthday, one year old.

Happy birthday to him, and congratulations you!

Hope your wife and your family had a great Valentines day. As much time as you spend with detailing, you need to spend time with them first.

With over 100 helium balloons and a Hot Wheels theme birthday party... how could you not have fun?

Take your time, I am sure many people want to know the whole scoop on the Meguiars line of compounds, polishes etc.

I am limited to what I can share on the Internet, or anywhere by R&D, (and common sense), but I will see what I can do.

Once they get that retail store at Irvine headquarters open we can get all the correct stuff.

That will be nice. Hopefully it will be sooner versus later, but I know they have to put a door in a wall or something like that...

Mike

[breastroker]

Mike,
I am the chairman of the local 3000 member masters group. Look up www.spma.net. Irvive has a great coach in Michael Collins. He coaches at Irvine Novaquatics, is a triathlete coach and a Paralympics coach. His team won lots of events at the international Paralympics.
There are lots of pools in Orange county. I know if you start swimming again your stamina at work is much better, and you can burn off frustration.

Mike's info is on this web page http://www.spma.net/spmaclubs.htm

Way cool birthday party, that black bike needs some red flames and a layer of NXT wax:p

[breastroker]

I found a Pep Boys with some more Meguiars polishes. So I bought some #9 and will try that first next time before going to the #83. I will try half the hood, if the #9 gets the swirls out I will go to #7 and NXT wax. It would seem the least strongest polish would be best for newer paint?



Looking at the list, it looks like it is not right:
Before:
1) #83 DACP/#82 - depending on severity of paint defects

2) #9/#80 - step down from above

3) #3/#5/#7/#81 - final polish before sealant

4) Medallion/#20/NXT/#26


Revised

1) #83 DACP- The book says will remove blemishes the Swirl Free Polish will not. (6 abrasive)

2) #80 - step down from above (4 abrasive)
or #82 Swirl Free Polish (3 abrasive)
or #9 Swirl Remover 2.0 (3 abrasive)

3) #3/#5/#7/#81 - final polish before sealant

4) NXT Tech Wax - the only way to go

[gb387]

If you go with that let us know how it turns out. Post some pics if you can

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by breastroker
I found a Pep Boys with some more Meguiar’s polishes. So I bought some #9 and will try that first next time before going to the #83. I will try half the hood, if the #9 gets the swirls out I will go to #7 and NXT wax. It would seem the least strongest polish would be best for newer paint?

Correct. Just to add to this a little, after you use up the bottle of #7, try to find a bottle of #81 Hand Polish. You might find like others that the #81 Hand Polish gives you the same results while being less difficult to remove.

Looking at the list, it looks like it is not right:
Before:
1) #83 DACP/#82 - depending on severity of paint defects

2) #9/#80 - step down from above

3) #3/#5/#7/#81 - final polish before sealant

4) Medallion/#20/NXT/#26

I don't know about 2) #9/#80 - step down from above

They are both cleaner/polishes, but use different types of diminishing abrasives. I don't think I would use them in that order. Also, if I used one, I probably wouldn't use the other. #80 Speed Glaze is a cleaner/polish whereupon the diminishing abrasive cuts quickly, then breaks down leaving behind only rich polishing oils. As far as I know, the diminishing abrasives in #9 don't break down as quickly and must be buffed longer.

Revised

1) #83 DACP- The book says will remove blemishes the Swirl Free Polish will not. (6 abrasive)

2) #80 - step down from above (4 abrasive)
or #82 Swirl Free Polish (3 abrasive)
or #9 Swirl Remover 2.0 (3 abrasive)

#82 Swirl Free Polish offers just a little more aggressiveness than the #9 Swirl Remover 2.0 (From a formula perspective), the average use might not notice a difference, but the products are definite different.

3) #3/#5/#7/#81 - final polish before sealant

These are all what Meguiar's calls pure polishes in that they contain no ingredients with the intended purpose to abrade paint, and are in fact very rich in Meguiar’s trade secret polishing oils.

#3 Machine Glaze - Excellent for single stage lacquers and enamels, gel-coats, Plexiglas plastic, and Imron.

#5 New Car Glaze - This is a drier version of number #7 formulated for use in high humidity areas for faster, and easier wipe-off. This product turns very white after drying and while removing, so you want to be careful around pebble-textured black plastic trim. It does produces a very high gloss finish.

#7 Show Car Glaze - This product was originally called Sealer & Reseal Glaze but the name was changed in the early to mid-90's to reflect what the product is most commonly used for. This is Meguiar's richest in trade secret polishing oils and leaves a very wet-looking, high gloss finish. Best to apply a thin coat and then remove with your softest, 100% cotton terry cloth towel, or a premium microfiber polishing cloth. #7 Show Car Glaze first appeared in either the late 1920's or the early 1930's, it was originally formulated for use on single stage nitrocellulose lacquers, enamels, varnishes and possibly even shellac finishes. These were the early types of coatings used in the auto manufacturing industries back then. It still works great today on single stage finishes of all types, but can sometimes be a little difficult to remove from a clear coat.

#81 Hand Polish - This product is similar to #7 Show Car Glaze, except that it chemically formulated to work better on modern clear coats.

4) NXT Tech Wax - the only way to go

I agree. This new wax produces awesome results, especially if you have properly prepared the finish before hand.

Mike

[corics]

i am just wondering how different the medallion paint protection is compared to NXT tech wax. i have been using the medallion paint protection for the past 3 months or so and i would say that it (medallion) gives better shine and protection against road grims as compared to polymer sealant (#20). if i were to shift from medallion paint protection to NXT tech wax, what preparatory steps should i first make to ensure that i would be able to get the best out of nxt tech wax?

following are the meguiar products that i have on hand: diamond cut 2.0, swirl remover, show car glaze, medallion paint cleaner, medallion paint protection, #66, and final detail. i also have the gold class shampoo and conditioner for my regular washing.

from the products that i have on hand, what would be the recommended products to use and for what step?

my nxt tech wax will be arriving sometime first week of march and i really am planning to have it applied on my car (colored dark emerald green of honda).

thanks!

[breastroker]

Photo of the car with just one coat of NXT tech wax. This is after one week in Kalifornia sun, dirt etc. It actually looks deeper today in shadows, can see reflections real well today. All panels of car has deep shine.



Note new spelling of state, Arnold for President.

[Mike Phillips]

Hi breastroker,

I took the liberty of uploading your photo to the Gallery, that way I could imbed it into the thread.

(Hope you don't mind)

Your results look excellent. Nice color for that fine automobile. Try a second coat when you get a chance.

Mike

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by corics
What preparatory steps should i first make to ensure that i would be able to get the best out of nxt tech wax?

following are the meguiar products that i have on hand: diamond cut 2.0, swirl remover, show car glaze, medallion paint cleaner, medallion paint protection, #66, and final detail. i also have the gold class shampoo and conditioner for my regular washing.

From your selection, I would opt for going over the car clay first if needed, then with the Medallion Premium Paint Cleaner. After that I would apply two thin coats of the NXT Tech Wax.

If possible, apply the second coat after 24 hours. This means you can't drive the car until the after removing the second coating or risk dirt and dust accumulation on the finish before application of the second coat.

I know for a lot of people, this isn't possible, that's why I wrote, if possible.

Then... post a picture of your results!