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    Hey all,

    Overview…

    So I bought a new (but used) daily driver just over 4 weeks ago (Ford focus).

    Interior, engine and paperwork were in the best of order but the exterior looked like it had issues, I actually thought it just needed a good once over at the jet wash. I was mistaken!

    I think the previous owner had used it to commute himself to the train station where he parked in the same spot, possibly under trees as it seemed like tree sap had become bonded to most of the glass and the majority of the paintwork.

    I started Googling like a maniac and came across Detailing for the first time. Having spent many hours watching videos and reading up on the subject I formulated a plan of attack and started shopping.

    The Glass, especially the windscreen was a priority as the wipers sounded like they were going over sand paper and I hoped for no rain while I was driving it.

    To work…

    I gave the car a good wash using Meguiars wash mitt/Tech wash and 2 buckets (old trusty the sponge has now been retired lol).

    I opted to use detailing spray as lubricant and razor blade the glass (small test area first and wiped off to check results) the bonded muck was coming off so all glass was worked in a steady methodical manner. I followed this up with giving it a going over with the clay bar (first time ever using clay – I like claying). This was followed up with a final clean and then treated with a coating of Rain-x…Glass now looks fab and have since done all the interior glass using Meguiars glass cleaner and several clean microfibers…very pleased with the result.


    Next stop the bodywork…

    More research and more shopping!

    I thought I would follow advice I saw from Junkman and ‘select one small area and take it all the way from start to finish as it’s pointless trying to work the whole car if you cannot get the result in a small test area’.

    Car was washed and dried – test area selected and taped off, detail spray and clay bar put to work…area prepped. I would love to own one of the polishing machines but funds mean I am currently working by hand, probably good for the soul and I will get a machine in due course, I did not fancy using those little foam applicators so ordered a couple of the chunky CCS euro foam pads.

    Orange pad and Ultimate compound were tentatively worked, wiped off and looked good, next up was the white pad and ultimate polish, wiped off and looking really good and finally a coat of Tech wax was applied allowed to dry and buffed off (damn that Tech wax is so easy to work with).The results from the test area were inspirational and I pushed on for a further 8 hours, did another 3 hours the next day, just got the roof left to do when time allows. Considering I was working by hand and first ever attempt at all this I am over the moon with the results thus far. I have also done the tyres with the Endurance tyre gel and the exterior plastic with Ultimate protectant trim and dash restorer…the car looks 100% better than when I bought it and I am enjoying both the challenge and the process.

    I now want to go a step further and am awaiting delivery of some Poorboys black hole glaze (The Focus is black and will be the only black car I ever own lol).

    Hopefully this post is not too long but I thought I would share the story and ask a question if I may.

    The car has only had the one coat of Tech wax 2 weeks ago after compounding and polishing and lives on the street, To apply the Poorboys black hole successfully will a wash and clay suffice or would it be better to cut things back a tad further with a light polish before application?

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    Re: Advice sought!

    A wash alone might suffice but if the paint has acquired any other bonded contaminants, which can happen fairly quickly especially when the car is left outside, then it may very well need a wash and clay. An easy way to tell is to wash the car and run your clean, dry hand gently over the top of the painted (or glass) surfaces to feel if there is anything but a super glossy waxed finish. If you feel anything that hasn't washed off its probably best to clay again before applying the glaze to ensure the best possible outcome.

    **Oh, and black can be a lot of hard work, but its super rewarding when it's nice and clean!**

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    • #3
      Re: Advice sought!

      Originally posted by Selectchoice View Post
      A wash alone might suffice but if the paint has acquired any other bonded contaminants, which can happen fairly quickly especially when the car is left outside, then it may very well need a wash and clay. An easy way to tell is to wash the car and run your clean, dry hand gently over the top of the painted (or glass) surfaces to feel if there is anything but a super glossy waxed finish. If you feel anything that hasn't washed off its probably best to clay again before applying the glaze to ensure the best possible outcome.

      **Oh, and black can be a lot of hard work, but its super rewarding when it's nice and clean!**

      Thanks for the reply,

      I suspect a wash and clay will be in order before applying the Poorboys black hole to the paint, a going over with clay seems to be the considered wisdom prior to any attempt at paint correction.

      So I guess what I need to know is will a wash and clay remove all wax residue as well as any contaminants or will I be better off cutting back with a light polish as well to remove all the wax etc…? in order to give the black hole glaze it’s best possible chance of success.

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      • #4
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        After you wash it, do the baggie test. That will tell you if you need to clay or not. More than likely you will be ok since you just did it. If you use a polish that will completely remove the NXT you have on the car. Claying may or may not. You actually could have just topped off NXT with M26 or Gold Class carnauba instead of using a glaze. If you are going to be using Poorboys, be sure to follow with a carnauba wax. A glaze only lasts a few washes. The carnauba will "lock" it in.
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        • #5
          Re: Advice sought!

          Originally posted by The Guz View Post
          After you wash it, do the baggie test. That will tell you if you need to clay or not. More than likely you will be ok since you just did it. If you use a polish that will completely remove the NXT you have on the car. Claying may or may not. You actually could have just topped off NXT with M26 or Gold Class carnauba instead of using a glaze. If you are going to be using Poorboys, be sure to follow with a carnauba wax. A glaze only lasts a few washes. The carnauba will "lock" it in.
          Thanks for the reply,

          I have selected the Poorboys black hole in the hope it will cover/tone down a fair few minor scratches that still exist on a close quarters inspection, my thinking here is that I need the wax off to give it the best chance to adhere/get worked in, then as you say use a wax to lock it in. I will hold off from any aggressive re-compounding/re- polishing for now and will re-visit those options further down the line when I acquire a machine. Temporary beauty or even extended beauty if I keep up a healthy washing and waxing routine is where I am aiming at this stage working by hand.

          I also was going to use the NXT to lock in, it’s been on a couple of weeks now, showers a fair few days and the beading looks spot on and it’s had 3 washes since application and water just sheets off…seems a right class act showing longevity at the mo, that said I have of course seen the magic of Carnauba on my internet travels and it’s on the list lol.

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          • #6
            Re: Advice sought!

            I think you would enjoy something like the Ult. Quick Wax or GoLd Class Spray Wax to use after washing, or while drying. Helps the shine and protection last even longer.
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              Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post
              I think you would enjoy something like the Ult. Quick Wax or GoLd Class Spray Wax to use after washing, or while drying. Helps the shine and protection last even longer.
              To be looked in to as i journey down the Detailing rabbit hole.

              Many thanks

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              • #8
                Re: Advice sought!

                Detailing adventures continued...

                Clearly owning a black car as a daily driver that lives outside means I am on a road to a good hiding as far as it constantly looking it’s best goes, dirty rain and regular deposits from the airborne division are seeing to that.

                That said the car is just a quick wash away from looking reasonably sharp, and with each process I apply that sharpness is on the up.

                Why even bother some may/do ask…

                I spent all my spare cash on the car and want to see it at it’s best, I knew when I was buying it that her looks could be improved and that’s the job I have tasked myself with.

                First time detailing a car and am enjoying all aspects of the subject from research through to application and final results.

                It’s also proving to be a welcome/therapeutic distraction.

                So, the poorboys black hole arrived and I had some time on the weekend 12/13th july, I also had the roof left to compound/polish.

                Car was washed and clayed, the roof was treated with compound/polish. The poorboys was worked as per the instructions and the reflection coming back after buffing had me grinning, the car also seemed blacker… the poorboys is good stuff and has indeed toned down the imperfections, this was then locked in with the NXT wax.

                I also noticed a fair bit of dried products in the panel gaps, door handles etc…so set about cleaning up using a clean microfiber a clean paintbrush and some detailing spray. The results of the days work looked good, though having all the doors open in the light of day highlighted that the interior fabrics were dirtier than I had first thought, that became a job for this weekend just gone. Thankfully cleaning fabrics is a subject that I do not need to research as am experienced and own my own Prochem machine and chemicals, the interior is now clean and there was enough in the kitty to order a new set of tailored Ford mats.

                I was not sure that the dash and trim protectant that I applied weeks ago was holding up as it seemed it was coming off with each wash, I have re-applied since and coated with wax and it seems to be resisting washing nicely, I guess time will tell on all the products I have chosen.

                A question if I may…

                While researching each product I did come across this review of the NXT tech wax…



                *Do remember, shake bottle well before use, to mix it and use within 6 months of opening ,store at ambient room temperature to preserve the wax emollients from separating, although IT STILL POLISHES even if the mixture appears to have gone watery!*

                Is that correct?

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