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  • Wetsanding with 3000 Unigrit

    Many of you may have already read some of my earlier posts about orange peel and maybe either damp sanding or wet sanding with 3000 to lessen them.

    When I used the V2, going as aggressive as I could with it, this is the best that I could do on my rear passenger door:

    Before:


    This is a half and half picture:


    This is my after picture:


    The swirls were gone, but the reflectivity is just totally obscured. For the most part, without shining a light on it, I couldn't tell anything was done.

    I was hoping to get a paint gauge, but I couldn't justify the purchase for what would likely be just one use. All I could do was hope that using as fine a grade as 3000, which is usually just a final finishing paper, would be nonaggressive enough to keep paint removal in a safe boundary, especially knowing the history of this paint.

    Most of the marks came out easily. I used a rotary because there were spots where I had to take out tracers.

    Comparison picture with the adjacent door:


    Final picture after wetsanding with 3000 and buffing:



    Finally some reflectivity. The orange peel is not gone, you just have to stand back further in order to see it. Surface defects are not eliminated. The RIDS are much shallower, though. The speckles are less dense.

    The main thing that shows up on the white paint, though, is the reflectivity.

    If anyone who has access to a paint thickness gauge could do a test like this, wet sanding with 3000 grit only, with measurements, that would be great supporting information to have.

    To answer the question of how much sanding I did, since I didn't photograph that part, probably about 40 strokes forward and back, doing mostly small strokes in small areas at a time. It was just enough to haze or frost the paint.

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    Re: Wetsanding with 3000 Unigrit

    Nice work Mary!

    We can't always achieve perfection. You seem to have done a great job given the paint you have to work with. Great job not being afraid to experiment. The results look excellent.
    -Bob
    NXTti graduate, Meguiars Ford/SEMA Team

    "All Corvette's are red, the rest are mistakes" - John Heinricy (Corvette Engineer)

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    • #3
      Re: Wetsanding with 3000 Unigrit

      Hi Mary,

      If you have not read it already, here is a good article by Mike Phillips that shows the various paint thickness measurement readings that he got on factory paint after sanding with 2000, then a reading after 2500 and also a reading after 3000 and then finally after polishing. It's a very detailed article.

      Removing Orange Peel & Sanding Marks
      Brian

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      • #4
        Re: Wetsanding with 3000 Unigrit

        Originally posted by RDVT4ME View Post
        Nice work Mary!

        We can't always achieve perfection. You seem to have done a great job given the paint you have to work with. Great job not being afraid to experiment. The results look excellent.
        Thanks! I still have a ways to go. I'll be working a panel at a time, save the hood for last and not do the roof with anything more than a DA. When I ever get my hands on a paint gauge I will find out how much this process removes.

        I don't recommend wet sanding factory paint without taking measurements. I wouldn't do it on anyone else's car. I just hope it proves out that using 3000 is nonaggressive enough to be safe.

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        • #5
          Re: Wetsanding with 3000 Unigrit

          Originally posted by Mister B View Post
          Hi Mary,

          If you have not read it already, here is a good article by Mike Phillips that shows the various paint thickness measurement readings that he got on factory paint after sanding with 2000, then a reading after 2500 and also a reading after 3000 and then finally after polishing. It's a very detailed article.

          Removing Orange Peel & Sanding Marks
          Thanks, I had read that one a while back and I just reviewed it again. I see that Mike did 100 back-and-forth strokes, and I am sure he can do more push-ups than I can, so chances are my final readings will be lower, that and the fact I only used 3000 grit. I was happy that this low grit would be enough to be worthwhile in the final result for paint like this.

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          • #6
            Re: Wetsanding with 3000 Unigrit

            Examining the paint again this morning, I put my light source further back, where it becomes more obvious that the orange peel is still there, just lighter than before.

            Reference panel: Front door



            Rear door, results after wet sanding with 3000:



            It is a lot easier to tell that the orange peel is still there. It becomes more obvious when you watch the source of light as you move around, which I can't photograph.

            I was also able to observe the other defects that remained better too, including the sparkles and the RIDS, although I can't photograph those well either.

            This is a good thing, because you definitely don't want to wet sand enough to eliminate orange peel on factory paint, which I know from testing on my BMW hood it is possible to do with 2000 grit paper. This will most likely will not leave adequate clear coat to protect the paint from UV rays and could lead to clear coat failure down the road.

            What I think these results do show, though, is that orange peel can exist at both deeper and more superficial levels, and it is possible to remove the most superficial layer and get a lot of improvement in the optical quality, without removing the deeper layer. This is pretty much the same result I got testing on the hood. Getting actual measurements of the depth removed, though, would be much better.

            I should repeat, though, that I did buff out some tracers with the rotary, using a 4" wool-synthetic blend pad, and it is hard to tell how deep that might have gone. On the other hand, if I had left the tracers in, again, you can't see them without shining a light right at them. To me it would be a worthwhile trade to get better optical quality even leaving some tracers in.

            On subsequent panels I am going to focus my efforts on what I can do if anything to prevent tracers.

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            • #7
              Re: Wetsanding with 3000 Unigrit

              Mary, in your post directly above mine here it sure looks like you've made a noticeable improvement in the level of orange peel. Quite frankly, 3000 grit generally would not be sufficient to fully remove factory orange peel which, as you've mentioned several times, isn't truly something one wants to do anyway. Still, the overall improvement you've made to the finish is striking.

              We recently spent well over 100 man hours on a wet sand/buff project that involved D/A sanding with 1500 grit, refining with 3000 grit finishing discs and then rotary buffing. Even that didn't remove all the factory orange peel - but again, we weren't looking to remove it all. This was also a special case where the owner is willing to fully repaint the car in a couple of years if need be.

              We have to say once again, though, that's is great to see the very slow and systematic approach you've been taking to both rotary buffing and wet sanding. Rather just jumping in with both feet after watching a YouTube video, you've done a ton of research, asked plenty of questions, and really thought the processes through. Anyone reading this should follow your lead here. It's tough to self teach these processes and so many people get in way over their heads very quickly. Kudos to you for being methodical (ie SMART) about things!!
              Michael Stoops
              Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

              Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                Re: Wetsanding with 3000 Unigrit

                First, I agree with Mike Stoops, the improvement is striking...

                Originally posted by Mary S View Post

                Many of you may have already read some of my earlier posts about orange peel and maybe either damp sanding or wet sanding with 3000 to lessen them.

                Most of the marks came out easily. I used a rotary because there were spots where I had to take out tracers.
                Hats off to you for all the research and then actually going out into the garage and putting your knowledge to work!

                Mike Phillips
                760-515-0444
                showcargarage@gmail.com

                "Find something you like and use it often"

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                • #9
                  Re: Wetsanding with 3000 Unigrit

                  Thank you both, and also for your help in my process of learning about this subject! Hopefully this will be the only car I spend 6 months dialing in my process...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Wetsanding with 3000 Unigrit

                    Hey Mary- it's an Ex- it's worth it!

                    FWIW- I wetsanded my Ex with 2,000 grit and followed up with UC. I can get some pics for you. Worked very well, but I think 2500 might be the sweet spot for grit.

                    Nice work!!
                    2000 Ford Explorer XLT "Deuce"
                    2007 Toyota Camry XLE

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                    • #11
                      Re: Wetsanding with 3000 Unigrit

                      Originally posted by JoeDirt View Post
                      Hey Mary- it's an Ex- it's worth it!

                      FWIW- I wetsanded my Ex with 2,000 grit and followed up with UC. I can get some pics for you. Worked very well, but I think 2500 might be the sweet spot for grit.

                      Nice work!!
                      Thanks, Joe! I wondered about 2500 too. I wish I had a paint gauge, but it would probably make me do more experimenting and I'd never get this car done! I'm sure you're right, it will be worth it!

                      Wet sanding pictures/articles always welcome!

                      Anyone with a paint gauge inspired to measure what 2500 or 3000 will do especially welcome!

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