$310 detail for free!!!!!!!!

[RaskyR1]

Re: $310 detail for free!!!!!!!!

Man that stinks bro!


I wonder if this issue could be lessened by the use of the PC or Flex on those panels?

[Details]

Re: $310 detail for free!!!!!!!!

thank god it wasnt on his ferrari 360, i did that the day before i did his bimmer!!! weeeewwww

[Tim Lingor]

Re: $310 detail for free!!!!!!!!

I will follow up with these guys today, but I am almost 100% sure that in both cases a wool pad was used and the problem occured as soon as the machine was turned on.

FWIW, I had a similar experience with a Jaguar about 6 months ago. I went to polish the mirror and as soon as I turned on the rotary to spread the polish it pulled the paint right off. At first I thought it was the polish gumming because it occured at 600 rpm, no pressure, and with in seconds.

Please let us know what they say. My comments were not directed at just the Bimmer's but rather other vehicles with plastic painted bumpers and body cladding. Some vehicles seem worse than others, and perhaps this is related to the flex agent in the paint and/or the plastic, I do not know.

When I did the write-up, I was intending on showing how easy it was to burn through the paint (it was a damaged part and did not matter). To my surprise, I wrinkled the paint. Again, this was several years ago, (at least 6 years ago) when I did that write-up and discovered the problem. Were the companies at the time now switching to something new in the paint (ie. new technology in flex agents?) leading to these issues, again, I do not know. So after experimenting with the issue, I found that the foam cutting pads created more heat and seemed to cause the problem easier than with other pads. But if with these Bimmer's, they just barely touched the paint with a wool pad, then something else must be going on....and appears something that we all need to worry about.


I think your comment about ripping paint off of a Jag is a good warning for everyone. Even people with tons of experience can have issues with a particular paint or vehicle. This is another reason why detailing forums are so valuable as they allow people to read such stories and to hopefully use caution when detailing any vehicle!

Tim

Hey Todd,

Any updates from your friends?

Tim

[3Fitty]

Re: $310 detail for free!!!!!!!!

Can this ONLY happen with a rotary Tim, or can it happen with a DA as well?

[PorscheGuy997]

Re: $310 detail for free!!!!!!!!

I know of one occasion where a Surbuf pad and a DA managed to twist the paint. But, it was very fresh paint and they were able to fix it with a little heat.

Other than that, I haven't heard of a DA wrinkling paint, but it doesn't mean it can't happen...

[Tim Lingor]

Re: $310 detail for free!!!!!!!!

Can this ONLY happen with a rotary Tim, or can it happen with a DA as well?

Good question! Because of the type of paint, and the plastic composite backing material, it is hard to say if it could or could not. I have never wrinkled paint with the DA, though that is not to say it could not happen if using a cutting pad and higher speeds. I would just be real careful!!!!

Tim

[eyezack87]

Re: $310 detail for free!!!!!!!!

Hmm, I had this happen earlier last month on a BMW M3-"csl" show car for HIN. The back bumper is definitely a problem area for me. I've cut my process down to PC or hand only in that area from now on...

[TH0001]

Re: $310 detail for free!!!!!!!!

Hey Todd,

Any updates from your friends?

Tim

Sorry for the late reply, it slipped my mind, and then I dropped the ball.

Both cases a rotary was being used, once with a Menzerna polish (not sure which one), once with M105.

On the (brand?) new M3, the front bumper got ripped up with M105/wool pad.

On the (brand?) new M6, the front bumper AND ground FX got ripped up with a Menzerna polish and a Lake Country Orange Pad.

It seem in both cases they where polishing pretty aggressively. In the case of the M3, the paint wrinkled almost immediately.

I have since spoken to two more people about this who also had problems. So far all cases where from a rotary, but I would still be very careful with a DA.