step by step after application of paint

[Dayz]

Hi guys,
Yes I am a newbie and seem completely lost in all the products. There are so many and overlapping products.

Is there a step by step after application of paint type thread or no?

I just finish spraying my paint, what should I do?

Steps:

1- sand with 1000-1500 grit
2- sand with 2000-2500 grit
3- Fine cut polish (with a foam)
3- swirl remover polish (with a polisher pad)
4- Cleaner
5- Wax

Are my steps right? I also have the heavy cut cleaner, would that replaces the 2500 grit?

Thanks for your reply guys, for newbies like me Its seem hard to not be lost and my salesman is far from an help at the store.

Thanks
Dayz

[Mike Phillips]

Re: step by step after application of paint

Moved your post out of the "How To Articles" forum which is for how to articles and into the Wet-Sanding, Color Sanding, Rock Chip Repair forum which is where you can post questions about your topic.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: step by step after application of paint

Hi guys,

I just finish spraying my paint, what should I do?

What are you working on?

Do you mean you just sprayed or painted an entire car and now you want to sand the paint down and then buff out your sanding marks?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: step by step after application of paint

Here's some information for you...

The first things you need to do is to watch our videos here,

5 Video segments on wet-sanding and using a rotary buffer

[Mike Phillips]

Re: step by step after application of paint

Steps:

1- sand with 1000-1500 grit
2- sand with 2000-2500 grit
3- Fine cut polish (with a foam)
3- swirl remover polish (with a polisher pad)
4- Cleaner
5- Wax

Close... here are the steps...

Sanding
1) Sand with #1500 and a medium stiffness backing pad for hand sanding
2) Re-sand with #2000 grit and same backing pad.
3)Optional: Re-sand again with #2500 grit, this will make buffing out sanding marks faster and easier.

If you have an air compressor it's faster and better to machine sand with something like the 3M Trizact system. For example, if it were me, I was machine sand everything that can be machine sanded and only hand sand what can't be machine sanded. The sanding marks left by machine are always easier to remove than the sanding marks left by hand sanding.



Compounding
Rotary Buffer
M105 Ultra Cut Compound
W-5000 Double Sided Wool Cutting Pad or W-4000 Wool Cutting pad.

(The W-5000 requires an adapter for your rotary buffer)


Polishing
Rotary Buffer
Foam pad and one of our cleaner/polishes.

Which cleaner/polish depends upon how nice you are able to finish the paint with the compounding step, the nicer the finish, in other words the less swirl left in the paint, the less aggressive product you'll need to remove any swirls and get to show car finish.


Final Polishing
DA Polisher
W-8006 Polishing pad or W-9006 Finishing Pad

Which pad depends upon how nice you are able to finish the paint with the second rotary buffer polishing step, the nicer the finish, in other words the less swirl left in the paint, the less aggressive pad you'll need to remove any swirls and get to show car finish.


IF you're not sure what a cleaner/polish is, then check out this thread...

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2409

The products you listed are generally to gentle to use for at least your first compounding step.

You will be doing yourself a HUGE favor by investing in some M105 Ultra Cut Compound. It works so GREAT at removing sanding marks and then leaving a finish that looks like you just waxed the car, not just compounded the car.

Yes, it is that good. M95 is also a great compound but won't finish out as nice as M105


Here are some more links,

Difference between M95 and M105

M105 Ultra Cut Compound - New

[Dayz]

Re: step by step after application of paint

Thanks Mike for redirecting my post. I am little lost with all those many sub-forums.

To answer your question, I just fish spraying a full car with some retouched part. Used ppg 1 stage urethane.

This is where I am lost, if I use M105 product, does it mean I don't have to wet sand 2500 and just wet sand 1500?

[Mike Phillips]

Re: step by step after application of paint

This is where I am lost, if I use M105 product, does it mean I don't have to wet sand 2500 and just wet sand 1500?

You sand with a lower grit to quickly knock down any orange peel, dirt in paint, (DIP), runs, sags, etc.

You re-sand with a less aggressive grit to make the buff out easier.

Just because you're using an aggressive compound like M105 doesn't change the physics that it will be easier, faster and SAFER to buff out shallow scratchers versus deeper scratches.


It can seem like that's more work but it's not, investing time up front in sanding saves time in buffing and it's safer for a number of reasons.

Sanding is cool temperature wise.
Running a rotary buffer generates heat.
Sanding is very controlled if you pay attention to the task at hand.

That said, you can sand with #1500 grit paper and then buff out the sanding marks if you like, it's personal preference.

My personal preference is to finish sand with the highest grit money can buy and make the buffing process as fast, easy and as safe as possible.

[Dayz]

Re: step by step after application of paint

Regarding M105, does it remove a lot more mark than heavy-cut or power compound cleaner?

I still have some sanding mark/ swirl in my paint, Had to do it all by hand with the mentioned backing pad. I tried the 2 product mentioned above, but still have some mark.

If the M105 is so great I will try it, if not I will go back to sanding.
Thanks Mike
Dayz

[Mike Phillips]

Re: step by step after application of paint

Regarding M105, does it remove a lot more mark than heavy-cut or power compound cleaner?

I still have some sanding mark/ swirl in my paint, Had to do it all by hand with the mentioned backing pad. I tried the 2 product mentioned above, but still have some mark.

If the M105 is so great I will try it, if not I will go back to sanding.
Thanks Mike
Dayz

M105 is DRAMATICALLY more effective at removing sanding marks by hand or with a rotary buffer than either M04 Heavy Cut Cleaner or M84 Power Cut Cleaner, both of which are not even meant to be used by hand for what you're trying to do. M04 by hand will scour the paint and M84 just won't do much at all by hand.

If you're working by hand or with a rotary buffer, then do whatever it takes to get some M105 Ultra Cut Compound and this will enable you to reach your goals.

[Dayz]

Re: step by step after application of paint

I will post some picture when it is done!
Thanks
Erik