DACP #83 & Rotary = BIG problems

[Wally]

Hi all,

My first post and immediately a serious problem (for me...)
I bought a while ago a botlle of Meg. #83 DACP with that gorgeous almond smell.

But applying it with a rotary is asking for problems.
First of all, the product splatters almost everywhere (and be shure that I'm very skilled with a rotary), there are everywhere on the car litlle white dots wich are almost impossible te remove, today I did a black car and the only solution was claying again !!!
Second problem that I have is sticking : whatever speed, wathever pad, the product always makes sticky patches on the paintwork like smeared out bubble gum, again, impossible to remove without claybar or water/alcohol solution.

What is my problem here, I tried everything with different pads, misting with water, prime the pads or not, use much or less product at different speeds, it's all the same trouble.

Thanks for helping me ...

[tumbler]

great product in #83 .. don't give up on it

for the splatter or sling - 90% prep.. I tape all the areas around the glass, rubber seals and then use "painters drape" it does go almost everywhere.. I've misted my pad with water and that seems to help too


blothches, -not going on evenly I've had those too and have had to use the tip of my pad and tilt it, and almost "cut them off" no biggie as dacp is forgiving that way. I dunno what the cause is, but i'd gather too much product going on too unevenly.

and yes, try to start at the slowest speed

and practice, practice, practice..

[Mike Phillips]

Splatter is also a cause of either too much product being used or wrong technique for picking up your bead or strip of product.

You can watch our how-to video online at the below link and in the video it will show you how the technique for picking up a strip of product.

Watch our how-to video here,

How to remove paint defects

Or you can purchase it here,

Professional Education Series Video



M83 can become gummy to use sometimes, the best thing to do is to clean your pad often.

[Mike Phillips]

Whoops! I forgot this part...

Welcome to Meguiar's Online!

Sorry your first post is about a bad experience.

[Wally]

Ok, I'm standing strong on that....
But the splatter is mainly on other panels, like when you do one door, it splatter's tothe next door and even onto the roof !
Those litlle spots are damn hard to remove, I even used dacp by hand when finalizing my car to remove all that ****.
As for product use : let's say for half a hood I put my product onto the hood itself, about a line of 8-10 inch long, then picking it up with the pad while starting to polish...

[Wally]

Hehe, thanks all, it seems like we're posting simultanously !
I watch the video right now, so you guy's have time to answer..LOL

[tumbler]

awesome, gonna pick up the vid for sure..

thanks Mike

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by Wally

As for product use : let's say for half a hood I put my product onto the hood itself, about a line of 8-10 inch long, then picking it up with the pad while starting to polish...

Too much product, (assuming your strip is about a 1/4 inch thick)

Try working only a quarter of the hood and use a strip of product about 4-6 inches after your pad is broken in.

The last car I buffed out with the rotary buffer using M83 was a Mercedes-Benz Kompressor; I buffed each panel using M83 with the W-8006 foam pad. Used the appropriate amount of product and cleaned my pad often using a terry cloth towel.

No problems.

[tumbler]

I also try to give it a good wipe with a damp MF towel as i noticed the pads do get filled , especially when working on larger vehicles like suv's

[Wally]

Mike,

The thickness is that from the botlle itself (donno the English name, but it's the one that flip's open like a Zippo Fluid botlle)

I also have the idea that when I use less, I work alone with the pad. Then I can't see any product (or it is that thin that it is almost invincible), and then the pad will fall apart (litlle pieces torn out of it) due to the fact that there is no product to let it "glide" over the surface...

(Excuse my technical English...)

Another problem is the lack of technical expierience and aftermarket sales in Belgium...
Detailing is as unknown here as litlle green men....

[zey]

Wally, I used to have the problems you're facing right now. From learning and practicing, I have a few answers for myself...

1. If product becomes gummy on the surface...
Most probably the surface is too warm to be worked on, or I apply too much product, or my pad is soaked up. As what I learned from Mike, I use a piece of terry cloth towel to soak up the excessive product from the foam pad. It works miracle.

2. If excessive dust is produced...
Most probably I buff the surface too long until the product turn dry and become dust residue. I will also use a tooth brush to clean up the foam pad once in a while.

3. If splatter always happen...
Try not to apply too much product on the surface when picking up, or foam pad could be soaked wet, or you didn't pick up the product at the right position (10 o'clock) with the right tilting angle.

This is just the limited knowledge I have, I think certainly there're more.

[Wally]

The gummy-ing was there from the first application, on the hood, I will have used too many product then (I apply on the hood and pick it up with the 10 o'clock way)

What bothers me the most is that when I finished a panel, all the surrounding is covered in white dots (more pinponts : . ), extremely different to remove, I had to use a claybar for them !

I tried to prime the pad with a mist of water and quick detail but that made no difference.

And at last, I saw some hologramming, , altough I did those spots again with some finishing polish.

[tumbler]

a further "side" drape possibly for the sling..

lessen the product a bit more

change your pad ?

my $.02

[Wally]

For the moment, I have the SONUS pads (SFX and DAS), and two pads delivered with my FLEX rotary.

Be gentle, I'm from Belgium and not in the force to buy Meguiars pads, the only thing they sell here is soap and tyre shine in the local auto-store.

I start always with the medium pad and #83, then I decide wich is best (harder-softer-products...)

The amount I use is, like I said, a stripe of 8-10 inch long, direct onto the panel to start with, then dotting some more after a while onto the pad itself...

I always finish with the softest pad and some finalizing polish to smooth out holograms (if there are of course) and bring up the gloss...

[Mike Phillips]

Another option might be to hold off on using the M83 and go with either M84 or M80 Speed Glaze.

I'm going to forward the link to this thread to Jason Rose to make him aware of this issue you're having.