Makita Packaged Wool Pads?

[the_invisible]

I apologize for being so ignorant and idiotic, but I have to ask this question.

I am really toying with the idea of getting a rotary. I am pretty sure that i will have really good results with the Surbuf pads I ordered, but in case the Surbuf pads fail me, I will have to look into the rotary. Even if the Surbuf pads work great, I will eventually get a rotary. The shine achieved from rotary polishing is unbeatable.

So in an attempt to save money, I want to get the Makita rotary that comes with a duffle bag and two wool bonnets. Here is the picture of it:


Does anybody know if the included wool pads are good enough for use on automotive paint? We know that the pad included with the Porter Cable is junk. But how about these ones included with the Makita? Do I have to shell out another $100 to get the high quality Meguiar's solo pads to achieve maximum results?


When I eventually get my hands on the rotary, I will probably abandon the DA completely. I am the kind of person Michael Stoops talked about. The kind that uses the most aggressive, the most extreme, method regardless of the circumstances. That's how I do things, from tuning suspension with the stiffest possible setting to getting the highest ignition timing. I engineer ways around these aggressive settings instead of fine tuning the settings themselves. This philosophy works fine for me.

[Markus Kleis]

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I personally wouldn't use them for anything but practice. I ordered the Makita 9227c kit as well, and that backing plate and wool pads were quick to get tossed into the back of the cupboard

[the_invisible]

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Just browsed on eBay and noticed so many Makita replica selling for $50-70. lol...

[Eddie6th]

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I'm the complete opposite. Least aggressive for me in most things. I just think it's easy to spend a little more time or step up. Once you overdo something,there's no going back.

Ignition timing.....Be carefull.....Ping,ping....kaboom!

I hope you use a timing light.


The wool pads look okay,but that means nothing in a pic. There are loads of options out there for pads. Try your nearest bodyshop outlet. Might save you money without shipping costs.

Makita make good machinery.....good luck

[Michael Stoops]

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The pads that come with the Makita 9227C work great........ on the stainless steel cover of my BBQ. No clue how they work on paint and, quite frankly, none of my personal vehicles are going to become test beds to find out.

When I eventually get my hands on the rotary, I will probably abandon the DA completely. I am the kind of person Michael Stoops talked about. The kind that uses the most aggressive, the most extreme, method regardless of the circumstances. That's how I do things, from tuning suspension with the stiffest possible setting to getting the highest ignition timing. I engineer ways around these aggressive settings instead of fine tuning the settings themselves. This philosophy works fine for me.

Ah, but you seem to couple that attitude with a large quantity of fully functioning brain cells - ie, you think fully about what you're doing, you don't just do it. You could probably drive a finishing nail with a 16lb sledge hammer, but you'd think the process through and only use enough force to sink the nail into the drywall. Too many others would still swing the sledge like there were driving a rail road spike. Needless to say, the difference in outcome between the thinker's method and non-thinker's method is huge!!

[Tim Lingor]

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Frankly, the pad that comes with the Makita is junk. Sorry for being blunt, but if you want to use a rotary, it is better to do it right the first time which means a good quality polisher and proper pads and an arbor extension if needed (ie. for the 3M and Meg's W-5000 double side wool pads).

Being the past Super Moderator of this site and the past Admin/Mod of 2 other detailing sites, I can not tell you how many times someone has posted about wanting to get into using a rotary, but not wanting to spend the money up front. I will always post, buy the best you can afford as you get what you pay for in this case. I have 3 rotaries, 2 Makitas and 1 Dewalt. My one Makita (9207) is over 24 years old and still going strong! My 9227 and my Dewalt 849 get used a LOT without any problems. So I strongly suggest buying the proper unit and pads from the start as you will avoid the problems associated with using the incorrect products with a weaker tool.

Tim

[TH0001]

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I apologize for being so ignorant and idiotic, but I have to ask this question.

I am really toying with the idea of getting a rotary. I am pretty sure that i will have really good results with the Surbuf pads I ordered, but in case the Surbuf pads fail me, I will have to look into the rotary. Even if the Surbuf pads work great, I will eventually get a rotary. The shine achieved from rotary polishing is unbeatable.

So in an attempt to save money, I want to get the Makita rotary that comes with a duffle bag and two wool bonnets. Here is the picture of it:


Does anybody know if the included wool pads are good enough for use on automotive paint? We know that the pad included with the Porter Cable is junk. But how about these ones included with the Makita? Do I have to shell out another $100 to get the high quality Meguiar's solo pads to achieve maximum results?


When I eventually get my hands on the rotary, I will probably abandon the DA completely. I am the kind of person Michael Stoops talked about. The kind that uses the most aggressive, the most extreme, method regardless of the circumstances. That's how I do things, from tuning suspension with the stiffest possible setting to getting the highest ignition timing. I engineer ways around these aggressive settings instead of fine tuning the settings themselves. This philosophy works fine for me.

As a side the bolded text, the pad that comes with the Porter Cable is made by Lake Country as is made from a super high quality foam (higher then what most sellers use). The pad itself is very high quality, but obviously the glued on backing plate does not help us.

You mentioned that it comes with bonnets? If it comes with a hook and loop (Velcro attachment) pad (vs. a bonnet) it is fine to use on a rotary. I find the 4 ply wool pad that came with my Makita is pretty much identical to my Shlegal pads, and that is a good thing.

Remember to break the pad in before you put it on paint or you are going to have a pillow of wool over your whole car (and in your nose, eyes, and mouth).

As far as trading the DA away from the rotary completely, I don't think that is the best idea. I am a rotary guy, if you look at any of the click and brags I have done, you will see a rotary polisher in my hand most (and for a long time: all) of the time.

However if you put down the DA and do not continue to develop your skills on that as well then you limit your overall potential as a detailer. How many times do we here people say the a rotary is superior then a DA?

The scenario plays out like this (usually).. Person buys a DA, uses it 10-15 times, isn't impressed with the results, steps up to a rotary. Person uses rotary a bunch of times and boasts how good they are (they are not, but the results are probably better then what they achieved 10-15 times with a DA). Person spends next 3 years developing their skills with a rotary and gets to the point where they are convinced that nothing can touch the finish they leave behind.

But what if they used the DA for 3 years and invested as much time learning the DA and all of intricacies of that machine instead of a rotary. Then they would pick up the rotary and probably not be impressed with it.

Just something to think about....

[Tim Lingor]

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Just to add on to Todd's post, the wool pad that came with my Makita (there was only one pad with Makita's name on the back), was not a 4 ply wool and like I said, I think it is junk. Perhaps, the bag kit comes with different pads or perhaps the newer 9227's come with a better pad. I bought mine when the 9227 first came out as the 9207 was getting a little heavy on 14 hour buffing marathons.

Tim

[ClearlyCoated]

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Frankly, the pad that comes with the Makita is junk. Sorry for being blunt, but if you want to use a rotary, it is better to do it right the first time which means a good quality polisher and proper pads and an arbor extension if needed (ie. for the 3M and Meg's W-5000 double side wool pads).

Being the past Super Moderator of this site and the past Admin/Mod of 2 other detailing sites, I can not tell you how many times someone has posted about wanting to get into using a rotary, but not wanting to spend the money up front. I will always post, buy the best you can afford as you get what you pay for in this case. I have 3 rotaries, 2 Makitas and 1 Dewalt. My one Makita (9207) is over 24 years old and still going strong! My 9227 and my Dewalt 849 get used a LOT without any problems. So I strongly suggest buying the proper unit and pads from the start as you will avoid the problems associated with using the incorrect products with a weaker tool.

Tim

As someone once advised me on this site; You're about to work on your $5000 factory paint job. Why would you risk that by trying to save a few bucks on equipment and products? It's a great point and one that I always try to keep in mind whenever I look for cost cutting shortcuts when it comes to paint correction.

If you have gone the extra step and bought the one of the best rotary polishers on the market, go the extra mile (or $100) pay for the best accessories and enjoy the full effect and benefits of what you set out to do.

[the_invisible]

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As a side the bolded text, the pad that comes with the Porter Cable is made by Lake Country as is made from a super high quality foam (higher then what most sellers use). The pad itself is very high quality, but obviously the glued on backing plate does not help us.

What do you recommend we use the Porter Cable foam for? I haven't actually used the PC foam pad, and everyone's advising against using it on anything. Even on floor tiles.

You mentioned that it comes with bonnets? If it comes with a hook and loop (Velcro attachment) pad (vs. a bonnet) it is fine to use on a rotary. I find the 4 ply wool pad that came with my Makita is pretty much identical to my Shlegal pads, and that is a good thing.

So should I use the Makita wool pads? Or should I spend another $30 to get a couple of solo pads? The website calls the polishing pad a "bonnet". From the pictures I couldn't tell what exactly it is, a bonnet or an actual pad. But one thing is for sure... one of the two furry things in the picture is a real wool pad. 4 ply or not, I could not find any information on it.

Remember to break the pad in before you put it on paint or you are going to have a pillow of wool over your whole car (and in your nose, eyes, and mouth).

Sure will!

[Tim Lingor]

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What do you recommend we use the Porter Cable foam for? I haven't actually used the PC foam pad, and everyone's advising against using it on anything. Even on floor tiles.





So should I use the Makita wool pads? Or should I spend another $30 to get a couple of solo pads? The website calls the polishing pad a "bonnet". From the pictures I couldn't tell what exactly it is, a bonnet or an actual pad. But one thing is for sure... one of the two furry things in the picture is a real wool pad. 4 ply or not, I could not find any information on it.



Sure will!

As I said, the Makita 9227 available up here does not come with the wool pads shown in the picture, at least not in any of the tool stores I visit. Having used a rotary for over 2 decades I think I would know the difference between the various types of wool pads and what is 4 ply or not.

Tim

[the_invisible]

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Thanks Tim.

I realize that Lordco has started selling the Makita rotary lately. Maybe I will grab it from there if it is cheaper than the $160USD + $15 shipping price tag on eBay. Do you know any places selling the Makita for cheap locally?

[Tim Lingor]

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Thanks Tim.

I realize that Lordco has started selling the Makita rotary lately. Maybe I will grab it from there if it is cheaper than the $160USD + $15 shipping price tag on eBay. Do you know any places selling the Makita for cheap locally?

But I doubt it.

I can assure you, you will not see a Makita in BC for that money, anywhere. KMS Tools sometimes places them on sale at $199.00 tool only, and so does The Tool Place. My nephew is a store manager of one of the Lordco's here in Kelowna and again, I have never seen the Makita that cheap.

Tim

[the_invisible]

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Yeah, even Canadian Tire is selling the Porter Cable 7424 (non XP) for $229!!!

$199CAD for a Makita is not bad, but I have not been charged duties and taxes when I brought in car parts from the States...


Canadian sells the Simoniz rotary for $59.99. It spins up to 1500rpm and some people say it's an adequate tool. The build quality is decent, as with most Simoniz products.

[Tim Lingor]

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Yeah, even Canadian Tire is selling the Porter Cable 7424 (non XP) for $229!!!

$199CAD for a Makita is not bad, but I have not been charged duties and taxes when I brought in car parts from the States...


Canadian sells the Simoniz rotary for $59.99. It spins up to 1500rpm and some people say it's an adequate tool. The build quality is decent, as with most Simoniz products.

You will most likely on that as it is not made in the US. NAFTA only works if the item and its components are made in the US. Otherwise, it is charged a duty depending on item.

Again, having been the past Super Moderator of MOL, (I was asked to Mod when the forum first opened) I have seen time and time again people trying to use a cheaper alternative. While many have had OK success with the Harbour Freight model, it always seems that it is not long before they end up moving up to the Makita or Dewalt anyway. Factors such as continuous power without bogging under load, durability etc are all factors in the decision. Same goes for pads, especially wool pads. I buy them by the case as it is too expensive to buy just one at the regular price. When it comes to detailing, there is no such thing as an OK item. If you want the best finish, it will require the knowledge, skill and the proper tools/chemicals to do it right.

This is just a sample....of what I use...this does not include my air sander for paint sanding or my wet sanding station I have set up.



















































Tim