Me vs megs 83 round 3 kinda weird

[rundatrack]

It is kinda crazy but

Round 3

Clay
Megs #83 @ 1500
Megs #80 by hand
NXT Wax one coat

83 was so much easier to work with using my rotary...I was like ...becuase I wanted to learn the g-100

Everything went great....finally say the translucent(sp) stage....

Now things are reversed....I have to learn how to use the g-100 now....

car came out great and did a sunlight test and

[oc detailer]

what kinda results can be expected using #80 by hand, i use my 10 inch orbital, and i dont think it does anything to be honest, unless im either (a) expecting to much from #80, or (b) not using the right product for the job, wher i should be using #83, but even on my brand new car that isnt swirled, or anything, i cant even seem to get the lightest of surface scratches out using #83 and my orbital...unless these light scratches i keep seeing are me inflicting them with my lsp or process im using..

[Murr1525]

The best way to see if you are instilling swirls yourself is to try to keep all of your movements in one direstion. If you finish detailing a door, etc, and it has a general left to right flow, (little harder with random orbital types, but a trend can often be seen), then the swirls are being put in by you.

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by oc detailer
what kinda results can be expected using #80 by hand, i use my 10 inch orbital, and i don't think it does anything to be honest, unless I'm either (a) expecting to much from #80, or (b) not using the right product for the job, where i should be using #83, but even on my brand new car that isn't swirled, or anything, i cant even seem to get the lightest of surface scratches out using #83 and my orbital...unless these light scratches i keep seeing are me inflicting them with my LSP or process I'm using..

If you want to remove swirls by hand, use ScratchX.

Here are two threads that will explain more about why you're not getting good results with your 10" orbital buffer and why the dual action polisher like the G100 has become so popular.

Rotary vs. PC vs. Regular Orbital Buffer

While the focus of this thread is on how people are expecting too much from a dual action polisher and M83, the same principals apply for working by hand or with orbital polishers.

The best product for removing scratches by hand is scratchX, if you don't want to work by hand then you need to move up to either a dual action polisher like our G100 or a rotary buffer.


What it Means to Remove a Scratch

[rundatrack]

Originally posted by oc detailer
what kinda results can be expected using #80 by hand, i use my 10 inch orbital, and i dont think it does anything to be honest, unless im either (a) expecting to much from #80, or (b) not using the right product for the job, wher i should be using #83, but even on my brand new car that isnt swirled, or anything, i cant even seem to get the lightest of surface scratches out using #83 and my orbital...unless these light scratches i keep seeing are me inflicting them with my lsp or process im using..

The reason that I used 80 by hand after is I saw it used that way on the Megs video...

the car came out good....it is just funny that I was using the g-100 because I wasnt getting good results with my rotary

Now I am using my rotary getting great results but cant get the thing to work properly with my g-100

[Mike Phillips]

Originally posted by rundatrack
The reason that I used 80 by hand after is I saw it used that way on the Megs video...

In the how-to video, the point of using M80 by hand wasn't to remove defects, it was to create beauty by applying a polish and also to add a little protection to the fresh paint as M80 Speed Glaze contains a unique polymer that is body shop safe.

[rundatrack]

Originally posted by Mike Phillips
In the how-to video, the point of using M80 by hand wasn't to remove defects, it was to create beauty by applying a polish and also to add a little protection to the fresh paint as M80 Speed Glaze contains a unique polymer that is body shop safe.

Oh I see....then next time I will use it with the polishing pad @ 1500...

[zey]

From what I experience, I will never try to use ROB/DA to remove surface defects such as bird dropping etch mark, acid rain pitting, tree sap blemish, etc...It's a tool designed mainly for removing light swirl marks, buffer holograms and mild scratches. The best combo which I love to use:

M80/W-8006/DA
M82/W-9006/DA

If I ever have to move on to rotary buffer, I will use M80/W-8006. If that doesn't solve my problem, then M83/W-8006 is the most I will go for since I haven't got the skill to use M85/W-4000.