Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

[Don]

Rubbing out my neighbor's truck made me realize that I need something more aggressive than Ult Compound and a maroon cutting disc. Would it be better to use a Megs microfiber finishing disc (5") as my next level of aggressiveness or should I go to the mf cutting disc (5")?

Or, should I go with a more aggressive compound?

[The Guz]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

I'm leaning towards a more aggressive compound. Everyone always recommend M105 but Mr. Stoops have high praise to M100 on a burgundy cutting disc. M101 would be another one I recommend. M105 has a slight learning curve that can sometimes be frustrating.

[davey g-force]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

I'd say a more aggressive compound and/or a MF cutting pad.

I think the MF finishing pad would provide little, if any extra cut. Of course, as you know it's all about the test spot

[stephensdetail]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

Go with M101. And the burgandy pad is pretty aggressive. I used that on my dewalt 849 to remove 800 grit a few years ago. And that was the old burgandy pad

[Don]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

I can get M85 locally, would that be a good option?

[The Guz]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

You can check here as they sell samples of M101. Email him to see if he has any in stock.

http://www.autodetailingsolutions.net/meguiars-m101-sampler.html

M100 sample

http://www.autodetailingsolutions.net/pro-speed-compound-sampler.html

[Eldorado2k]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

It depends which machine you're using.. Put a microfiber finishing disc on a Rupes and pair it with M100 and you'll be able to cut through almost any defects that come your way.

But if you were to put a finishing disc on a Porter Cable you'd better be planning on spreading a thin layer of D301. Because using it to try and compound hard paint with that DA probably won't even tickle it.

Go with M105 w/microfiber cutting disc. Have a set of Xtra Cut microfiber discs in your bag just in case you're using a Porter Cable.

[The Guz]

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If you want something locally then you can pick up M105. It does have a learning curve. It has a short working time compared to UC. It will also dust more than UC. M101 is a little better. I have not used M100 so I can't comment on this. But it gets high praise from others. D300 is also another good one. Not sure how it would be on hard paint on the new burgundy foam disc. On medium paint it works very well. Unfortunately these are only available online for purchase.

From personal experience M101 worked very well on the new burgundy foam disc. It did dust on me. I personally no longer use M105. D300 suits my needs on foam and I can always switch over to a microfiber cutting disc if I have to. One day I will have to try M100 to compare it to these other compounds.

[Don]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

If you want something locally then you can pick up M105. It does have a learning curve. It has a short working time compared to UC. It will also dust more than UC. M101 is a little better. I have not used M100 so I can't comment on this. But it gets high praise from others. D300 is also another good one. Not sure how it would be on hard paint on the new burgundy foam disc. On medium paint it works very well. Unfortunately these are only available online for purchase.

From personal experience M101 worked very well on the new burgundy foam disc. It did dust on me. I personally no longer use M105. D300 suits my needs on foam and I can always switch over to a microfiber cutting disc if I have to. One day I will have to try M100 to compare it to these other compounds.

This is part of what's got me confused ... should I try to get some M101 for those harder paints, or should I get some MF cutting pads?

[The Guz]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

How about picking up a bottle of D300 and pack of MF cutting discs? I have not tried ultimate compound with MF cutting discs but maybe someone else has. D300 was designed for them but many have used M100, M101 and M105 with them. I will let you know that M101 and M105 do dust when using them with the MF cutting discs. D300 not so much. I have had success with D300 + MF cutting discs on GM hard paint that finished LSP ready. I think you would be happy with this combo.

[Eldorado2k]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

From my experience if UC wont come near fully correcting it, chances are D300 may not either. D300 works like a dream on med hard paint, but it seems to hit it's wall of limitation right above where UC does for the most part.. That's where either a stronger tool or a stronger compound [along with a more aggresive form of pad] comes in.

If you've ever encountered that fine line between med paint and hard paint, and I mean hard to the point where it seems impossible to correct with your current method, then it's time to step it up and reach for a bigger hammer.
UC/D300 = Hammer.
M100/M101//M105 = Sledgehammer

D300/DAMF system is a must have IMO. But so is at least 1 of those 3 upper level strength compounds for those times when you find yourself having to go to war. You already have The Sickness, so don't cheat yourself, treat yourself. [to at least 1] Lol.

[The Guz]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

^^^ You are right about that. But it's really hard to say how hard that ford paint was that he worked on. I mean I just saw another buddy of mine correct his ford raptor with an AIO. Paint's like what they like. It doesn't hurt to have one of those more aggressive liquids and pads.

Check out this latest podcast. There is some really interesting things discussed.

http://www.autodetailingpodcast.com/158/

[davey g-force]

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^^ Thanks for the link Mike.

The guest speaker on that was Detailology Australia - a member on this site.

[Don]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

I'll probably pick up some M101 and a few mf pads, but I have to wait until my next detail job is done ... I'm only allowed to spend detailing money on detailing toys (a wife's way of saying "If you want it, EARN it," ... reminds me of my dad )

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Question about M/F finishing disc VS M/F cutting disc

If a burgundy foam disc and Ultimate Compound are not up to the task, then moving to the DAMF System is the next logical choice. Quite often in our Saturday Classes we do a side by side with foam and the Ultimate Trio side by side with the DAMF System and compare the results. On extremely hard paint, paint with really severe defects, really neglected paint (like a car from the early 2000s that has had virtually nothing done to it since new) we see better performance from the DAMF System. And that performance isn't just in regards to how fast it removes defects, but also the amount of clarity it brings back to older, neglected paints. Now, that doesn't mean everyone should dump their foam discs and UC, far from it. On paint that is swirled but otherwise "healthy", or on really soft and touch sensitive paints, foam and the Ultimate Trio are often a better choice simply because they don't need the extra aggressiveness of the DAMF System. Remember the credo - use the least aggressive method to get the job done.

In those situations where even D300/DMC5 won't cut it (no pun intended - honestly!!!) then stepping up to M100 and the Xtra Cut microfiber disc will obliterate all kinds of nasty defects, even on really hard paint.