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    Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

    Hey guys,

    I just recently got started with the G110v2 and it's a great machine.

    And I noticed the following things:

    -Swirl X is very very tough to work on I find that it polishes or gives luster but doesn't take the swirls off easily.
    -ScratchX 2.0 Takes the swirls away with more pressure.
    -Ultimate Compound completely removes the swirls and some very light scratches but leaves a ton of scratches behind.

    I'm using the G110V2 with the yellow pad, speed 5, heavy pressure (but not jamming the pad) and was wondering how can I get rid of those scratches? I already achieved a piano finish which looks great! But the scratches kind of ruin it. Most of them you can't feel at all I understand that a scratch you can actually feel is waaay to deep so I won't worry about those.

    So far I've tried it in 3 different cars all 3 of them were repainted so I can't tell if they have a hard clear coat by default.

    I guess the questions are:

    -Can I use the burgundy pad with the g110v2 and then take off the hazing with the yellow pad and UC?
    -Should I step up to M105?
    -Micro Fiber Correction Kit maybe?
    -I've been cleaning the pad on the fly with a rag but I think I'm starting to notice "pits" on the foam. Any suggestions on how to avoid destroying the foam pad should I just hand wash it with dish soap?

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!

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    Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

    Have you tried lessening the pressure on the UC, or following up the UC with one of your other products?

    It sounds like the paint may be very soft, not hard, and so a strong product/combo may need followed up with something milder.
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    • #3
      Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

      Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post
      Have you tried lessening the pressure on the UC, or following up the UC with one of your other products?

      It sounds like the paint may be very soft, not hard, and so a strong product/combo may need followed up with something milder.
      I actually started our softer but noticed that as I increased the pressure the results were slightly better.

      I did the following:

      5 passes of UC at speed 5 with good pressure and yellow pad.

      4 passes of UC at speed 5 with mild pressure, yellow pad and finishing up with swirl X.

      I basically achieved the same result, maybe the one with the SwirlX on top of it gave it a little bit more luster but the scratches were still there.

      What's the theory behind using a milder product after the tough one? I thought it was hard since the scratches won't go away and they are random they don't follow the path of the DA so they are definitively not being inflicted by the machine.

      Thanks!

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      • #4
        Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

        Well, it depends.. maybe even a pic or two of the surface could help.

        If the defects are hard to remove, or the paint is hard to work, then going to a stronger product may be needed to enable you to remove paint more easily.

        However, if the paint is soft, you basically end up with a sanding type effect, where the strong combo leaves marks, that a milder combo then needs to clean up. Just like moving from a strong sand paper to a mild sand paper when wood working.

        Are you able to see an exact scratch/mark, etc that is not being removed? Or does it seem like they move around, or a fine haze, marring? If you could get a good surface pic or two, maybe something will be visible.
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        • #5
          Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

          Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post
          Well, it depends.. maybe even a pic or two of the surface could help.

          If the defects are hard to remove, or the paint is hard to work, then going to a stronger product may be needed to enable you to remove paint more easily.

          However, if the paint is soft, you basically end up with a sanding type effect, where the strong combo leaves marks, that a milder combo then needs to clean up. Just like moving from a strong sand paper to a mild sand paper when wood working.

          Are you able to see an exact scratch/mark, etc that is not being removed? Or does it seem like they move around, or a fine haze, marring? If you could get a good surface pic or two, maybe something will be visible.
          The finish is definitively not being scratched by the DA or the use of UC the same scratches are there once I finish. Every pass I do makes them a little bit less noticeable but not enough I would probably have to do like 50 passes!

          That's why on my opening post I ask about using the burgundy pad and then finishing off with the yellow one but I'm not sure if I'll screw up the paint job with that. I wish I had taken pictures of the scratches I don't have the cars with me but as soon as I go back I will take some and post here.

          Edit: Forgot to add that the scratches look like a cat has walked on the finish which is actually very probable!

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          • #6
            Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

            How fast are you moving the DA across the paint? You generally want to move slowly, around 1 inch per second. Also, have you marked your backing plate, to ensure that the pad is still rotating? If you're applying heavy pressure, working on a curve and/or not keeping the pad flat, you could be losing rotation (the pad would just be wiggling), which will drastically affect the amount of cut you're getting - more so since you're using larger pads (based on you using Meguiar's pads).
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            • #7
              Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

              Hi there,

              An inch per second sounds about right I'm moving it very very slowly and the pad is rotating freely I did marked the backing plate.

              I've done quite a bit of research in this forum there's tons of great information!

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              • #8
                Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

                Any tips on burgundy pad and UC + finishing with yellow pad and UC?

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                • #9
                  Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

                  You could try a test spot... sometimes it works well, sometimes leaves marring behind.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

                    Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post
                    You could try a test spot... sometimes it works well, sometimes leaves marring behind.
                    Would that marring be corrected with a yellow pad and UC? If not would I be better off with the microfiber kit? Dont feel confident about using a rotary yet. Thanks!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

                      Yeah, fixing marring from the cutting pad isnt a problem, they are effectively just real mild swirls.

                      The MF kit can be a good option for hard paint, although I have not used it, so not as familiar with it. Someone else would have to help there.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

                        Great great so looks like my options right now are:

                        -Burgundy pad w/ UC or maybe a milder compound. Then finishing up with yellow pad.
                        -Microfiber correction system.

                        And if this doesn't work I'll have to learn how to use the rotary

                        Thanks for your help! If anyone has ever done it and has any pics or more insight I would really appreciate it thanks!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

                          Originally posted by Kpeters View Post
                          Great great so looks like my options right now are:

                          -Burgundy pad w/ UC or maybe a milder compound. Then finishing up with yellow pad.
                          -Microfiber correction system.

                          And if this doesn't work I'll have to learn how to use the rotary

                          Thanks for your help! If anyone has ever done it and has any pics or more insight I would really appreciate it thanks!
                          Hi, can you let me know how you get on,I have the same sort of scratches.I've tried the same method as you and was wondering about gettting the burgundy pad or the microfiber correction system,

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                          • #14
                            Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

                            ok iwill test on my car red buffer and i will see what hapend any idea what i use
                            swirl x
                            uc .m205 i will do all test whit da gv220 and put some pictures any wishes?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Stubborn scratches, pad selection, etc

                              Originally posted by dragan View Post
                              ok iwill test on my car red buffer and i will see what hapend any idea what i use
                              swirl x
                              uc .m205 i will do all test whit da gv220 and put some pictures any wishes?
                              I would love to see how the burgundy pad and the UC work together, followed by yellow and UC again!

                              But again im not sure if burgundy+UC is too strong. Maybe for starters you can try something milder or make tests with different products.

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