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    Struggling to achieve perfect finish

    I've been having a very tough time on my black 07 jaguar S-Type R, no matter what combo I try I cant get a flawless finish. I've tried M205 with the both black and yellow polishing pads and still get marring. What has me confused is that on the lable on the product it says to set the DA to 4 or 5, but on my g110v2 4-5 is for defect and swirl removal 1-3 is for polishing. Why would they say to polish on speed 4 or 5 when the bottle says finishing polish? It all has me very confused. I have found that working at speeds between 1 and 3 lessens the marring as opposed to 4-5. Can you recomend me any other brand pads that may be softer than the black finishing pad? LC finessing pad maybe? any less agressive polish then m205 and swirl remover 2.0? I'm just becoming so exhusted putting so much time and money trying to find the best match for my paint and getting no where.
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    Re: Paint Workability - The Hardness or Softness of your car's paint

    If M205 is marring your finish, perhaps you could try a cleaner wax such as ColorX..
    Originally posted by Blueline
    I own a silver vehicle and a black vehicle owns me. The black one demands attention, washing, detailing, waxing and an occasional dinner out at a nice restaurant. The silver one demands nothing and it looks just fine. I think the black vehicle is taking advantage of me, and the silver car is more my style. We can go out for a drive without her makeup and she looks fine. If I want to take the black one out, it is three or four hours in the "bathroom" to get ready.

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    • #3
      Re: Paint Workability - The Hardness or Softness of your car's paint

      Using the black finishing pad, m205 on speed setting 1 on my g110 gave me much better results but with a closer look with my brinkmann there are still some very light marrs that are hardly noticable but i'm trying to perfect my technique to get to get perfect results. At this point i'm expeirmenting different ways before I do the whole car. By the way is swirl remover 2.0 a diminishing abrasives product? I've learned that you cant follow by the directions on the bottle you have to find what works best for you on your own.

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      • #4
        Re: Struggling to achieve perfect finish

        First off, we've moved this discussion to its own dedicated thread, rather than it being tacked on to the end of a 4 year old discussion.

        When you mention marring from M205/black pad, is this marring that is being created by this combination, or marring that was there before but is not quite going away? Did you use anything more aggressive prior to this combo? What was the condition of the paint when you started? How much pressure are you using?

        And just so you know, any speed setting suggestions offered up on a label are just that - suggestions. Unfortunately, with there being so many different paint systems out there, it's flat out impossible to say "use this product at this speed with this much pressure for this much time and everything will be fine, no matter what car you're working on". That is simply not realistic, so all we or anyone else can really do is to give you a starting point that works for the majority of vehicles. The rest is up to you to tweak based on how the paint responds, what your goals are, etc.
        Michael Stoops
        Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

        Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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        • #5
          Re: Struggling to achieve perfect finish

          Are your pads and towels perfectly clean?? If so I would be inclined to step down to something like Colorx, i use it heaps and it always finishes nicely on my dark ble car, plus it is a very useful product for quick details on a daily driver.

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          • #6
            Re: Struggling to achieve perfect finish

            Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
            When you mention marring from M205/black pad, is this marring that is being created by this combination, or marring that was there before but is not quite going away? Did you use anything more aggressive prior to this combo? What was the condition of the paint when you started? How much pressure are you using?
            Yes, the marring is being put in. If I bump the speed to anything higher than 1 I get alot of marring. The higher the speed the worse the marring looks. As for pressure i'm very light, to much cause more marring. prior I used diamond cut on a cutting pad to cut most of the scratches out with a rotary. I'm sure if I use a much lighter polish i'll get the results i'm looking for. will show car glaze help marring on soft paint? I tried ultimat polish with the finishing pad speed set to 1 and came out only a tad better than M205. The marring isn't all that bad but Im aiming at getting marr free finish. I'll try posting pics.

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            • #7
              Re: Struggling to achieve perfect finish

              David, pretty interesting clear coat you've got there. You needed diamond cut with a rotary to clear up some scratches and using Ultimate Polish with a finish pad leaves marring on speed 1. Wow!

              I have a Lexus with some delicate clear coat and it loves Ultimate Polish, but I don't think I've ever run slower than 3. ColorX is another product my clear coat likes, but I m not sure it would remove marring left by a rotary.

              Please try and get those photos posted that will help us help you. Also review for us how you washed, clayed, dried, etc. Are your pads new? What method have you used to clean the pads? What are you using for microfibers? Delicate clear sometimes doesn't like certain microfibers. How have you cleaned and dried your microfibers? The more info you give us the better.

              Looking forward to your photos!

              "fishing for swirls in a sea of black"
              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
              David

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              • #8
                Re: Struggling to achieve perfect finish

                Soft paint there.....will follow....

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                • #9
                  Re: Struggling to achieve perfect finish

                  Originally posted by wifpd4 View Post
                  David, pretty interesting clear coat you've got there. You needed diamond cut with a rotary to clear up some scratches and using Ultimate Polish with a finish pad leaves marring on speed 1. Wow!
                  Yes, this does seem rather odd. Diamond Cut is very aggressive stuff and if the very light duty products you're using are marring the surface, we can only imagine how horrible it must have looked following M85 and a cutting pad.


                  Originally posted by wifpd4 View Post
                  Looking forward to your photos!
                  Us too!




                  You're still using the rotary at this point, correct? You do have a DA as well, if memory serves, right? Can you finish mar free with the DA? On extremely delicate paint it's not uncommon to see some hazing or very fine tick marks with a DA, but the rotary will tend to induce faint holograms instead. It's just the nature of the pad motion with the two tools. Thus far all we've really heard as a descriptor is "marring" - can you be more specific as to the appearance of this marring?
                  Michael Stoops
                  Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                  Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Struggling to achieve perfect finish

                    Wait... I think I might be confuising marring with tick marks.Tick marks seem like maybe a better name for it. Can some one post photos of these two? Still waiting to get a hold of digital camera.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Struggling to achieve perfect finish

                      Well, tick marks are a form of marring and typical for very delicate paint when worked on with a DA. A rotary won't inflict DA tick marks because of the movement of the pad, just like a DA can't put a real hologram in the paint like a rotary can. Tick marks look like very closely spaced, slightly rounded short marks. Don't confuse these with pigtails - pigtails are generally a continuous, isolated deep scratch in a consistent curli-cue pattern while tick marks are thoroughly and almost uniformly distributed throughout the surface. Tick marks can make a black paint job look dull and lifeless, almost gray in color rather than a deep, rich black.

                      We have a regular attendee to our Thursday Night Open Garage sessions with a non metallic black 2011 Toyota Prius, and that car has some of the most delicate paint we've ever seen. The DA Microfiber Correction System hazes the daylights out of this paint, and anything more aggressive than M205 will to some degree. But M205 works well on this car, and ColorX seems to solve almost any hazing issue created by any previous step. We have not tried M06 Professional Cleaner Wax on this car, but given what we know about that product and the way that car responds to input, we suspect it would also work very well, and maybe even leave a darker, richer finish. And you can always top either of these two with NXT, Ultimate, etc if you like.
                      Michael Stoops
                      Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                      Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                      • #12
                        da system

                        Use the da correction system . It might help

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                        • #13
                          Re: Struggling to achieve perfect finish

                          Is important to notice if the marks are on top of the clear coat.
                          On repairs is often seen this type of scratch, and the defect is actually under the paint film.
                          (unproper finished body filler will have scratches that will show on the end result)
                          Look closely....

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                          • #14
                            Re: da system

                            Originally posted by Bill1234 View Post
                            Use the da correction system . It might help
                            If his paint is as delicate as it sounds, the DA Microfiber Correction System may be much too aggressive for it. But....... yeah, there's always a but, isn't there??....... the DA finishing wax on a foam finishing pad may work very well. We'd still go with ColorX or M06 first, especially if he already has one of those products in his possession.
                            Michael Stoops
                            Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                            Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                            • #15
                              Re: da system

                              I've gotten almost marr/tick free with swirl remover 2.0. At this point i'm exhausted from trying different methods and not getting it 100%. There hardly noticible under the brinkmann I have to look really close to try and spot them, dont even think they will show up on camera.

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