M105 - method of application

[FRS]

just noticed on the bottle, it doesn't mention a DA .. ?


. hand and rotary application only!

[Murr1525]

Re: M105 - method of application

Yeah... #105 can be used by DA, but isnt as friendly. It could frustrate people who arent ready for it to possibly be difficult.

[Shawn Devlin]

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You may have an old bottle of M105, the original version (2007 iirc) was Rotary and hand application recommended. Meguiar's tweaked the formula slightly not too long after (2009 iirc) to add DA compatibility.

[FRS]

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Yeah... #105 can be used by DA, but isnt as friendly. It could frustrate people who arent ready for it to possibly be difficult.

In which way it can be difficult?

[Murr1525]

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It can dry out fast, gum up easily, dust a lot...

[Shawn Devlin]

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M105 was optimized for the body shop environment which typically means fresh paint, a rotary buffer, and wool pads. There are plenty of successful users of 105 where none of these criteria are met (neglected paint, D/A polisher, and foam pads), it just requires adjusting your technique. The Kevin Brown Method (KBM) of pad priming does a phenomenal job of reeling in the poor behavior 105 exhibits when not used as it was originally intended. Chris Dasher put together some nice photos of what this entails in this thread from a few years back that is a very basic overview of what is at the heart of the KBM:

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?31568-A-look-into-Pad-Priming-The-Kevin-Brown-Method

If you really want to learn more, I highly recommend reading the full article straight from the professor himself:

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?49385-KBM-Pad-Priming-and-Supplemental-Wetting-Agents&highlight=kevin+brown

[FRS]

Re: M105 - method of application

M105 was optimized for the body shop environment which typically means fresh paint, a rotary buffer, and wool pads. There are plenty of successful users of 105 where none of these criteria are met (neglected paint, D/A polisher, and foam pads), it just requires adjusting your technique. The Kevin Brown Method (KBM) of pad priming does a phenomenal job of reeling in the poor behavior 105 exhibits when not used as it was originally intended. Chris Dasher put together some nice photos of what this entails in this thread from a few years back that is a very basic overview of what is at the heart of the KBM:

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?31568-A-look-into-Pad-Priming-The-Kevin-Brown-Method

If you really want to learn more, I highly recommend reading the full article straight from the professor himself:

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums...ht=kevin+brown

Thank you, very imformative indeed.

[Michael Stoops]

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If you have a bottle of M105 that recommends rotary or hand application only, then you definitely have a first gen product. Some would say you are extremely lucky and they might be willing to buy it from you at a premium, were it not for your geographic undesirability to most US users!!

As Shawn pointed out, M105 was initially designed as a general rotary applied compound intended for the removal of sanding marks on fresh paint. As is so often the case in the detailing world, a few people tried it on a DA and fell in love, regardless the level of dust they may have encountered. It became quickly became apparent to early adopters that a little bit of product goes a long way, both in cutting ability and the reduction of dusting caused when used on a DA. We had unprecedented feedback calling for us to tweak the formula slightly so as to minimize the level of dust when used with a DA, thereby making it more compatible with that tool. We did so, but could only go so far without seriously compromising the effectiveness of the product. Some still say we went too far but the extreme majority of users are stilled thrilled with the cutting ability and clean finish offered by M105.

The articles linked to by Shawn are great reads on really refining your user experience with M105 and can help to reduce both the amount of dust generated, and the frustration that goes with excess dust.

[FRS]

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Yep, the M105 is an amazing product with great cutting ability.

I've extensively tested M105 last night. Comparing to my favorite UC I'd say it has a lil bit more cutting power but not much.

The downside of the M105 used with a DA (as mentioned above) - IT DUSTS like nothing else I have experienced/tested before!!

[FRS]

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Yeah... #105 can be used by DA, but isnt as friendly. It could frustrate people who arent ready for it to possibly be difficult.

I was wondering how M105 performs with a rotary?

Less dust, more cutting?

[Murr1525]

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I dont do rotary work, but yeah, better is what everyone says.

[Michael Stoops]

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I was wondering how M105 performs with a rotary?

Less dust, more cutting?

Quite a bit less dust and a lot more cutting when used with a rotary.


If you're using it on the DA you might want to try priming the pad first (the "Kevin Brown Method" or the way we recommend priming the DA microfiber discs) and then using just small amounts of M105 for each section. If you're used to making an "X" across the face of the pad when using other liquids on a DA, doing so with M105 will generate a lot of dust and, well, you just don't need that much product. If you're working in a dry climate that can compound the dusting issue, so sometimes a light spritz of plain water onto the surface can help cut down the dust and also extend the cutting cycle of the M105. But use the water sparingly. Working "wet" isn't going to gain you anything; just an occasional light mist of water is all that should be needed from time to time.

[Carbo]

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What about using 105 with a foam cutting pad on the DA for heavy oxidation or scratches, particularly RIDS. Would this possibly work or would this cause you to do more correction after marring the paint?

[Murr1525]

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Its not that it cant be done, or cant be used. You would just have to go in knowing there may be a lot of dust, or marring to fix with a milder cleaning step after.

You would just want to do a test spot, see if it helps compared to other combos you may have available.

It is also possible that options like the MF system would help, and be easier. Just depends what you have on hand to use.

[Carbo]

Re: M105 - method of application

Its not that it cant be done, or cant be used. You would just have to go in knowing there may be a lot of dust, or marring to fix with a milder cleaning step after.

You would just want to do a test spot, see if it helps compared to other combos you may have available.

It is also possible that options like the MF system would help, and be easier. Just depends what you have on hand to use.

I like looking at all combinations I have available in my arsenal. Sometimes I just don't get the cutting I need with the 8007 pad and would like to try it with the cutting pad.

I am going to buy the MF system here in the next week so that will give me something else to try as well. I have two vehicles I work on...one a classic and the second an 07 suburban with oem paint in some areas and body shop paint in others. So I want a wide variety to choose from to tackle all different kinds of issues on different paint jobs.