Holograms on the Merc!!

[CSI K-9]

Re: Holograms on the Merc!!

Well, I gave it a shot without much success. I used M205 in just about every way imaginable...with a polishing pad, finishing pad, heavy pressure, light pressure, moderate pressure, speed 2 through 5 and every combination in between. I worked it very slow and methodically and applied it 3-4 times over the trunk and back fender. It showed slight improvement, but still looks pretty bad when we pulled it out into the direct sunlight. I worked for HOURS on just the trunk and mostly the back fender. I really don't want to put 8+ coats of M205 on the car because we won't make it to any shows this year, but if I have to, then I have to.


Just to show you the improvement, here's part of the door that was only originally done with M105 x2 and then M205:



(After several applications of M205 today) Here's the trunk, which came out the best, but as you can see in the lower right hand corner, it's not completely gone:



Close up shot of the back fender, which had the most effort put into it:



And finally, the whole back fender after several applications of M205:


*sigh*

I'm not exactly sure whether the paint is so hard and the M205 just isn't strong enough to take out the micro marring from the M105, or whether the paint is so soft that the M205 is still micro marring it. What do you think??

Correct me if I'm wrong, for a proper paint correction there shouldn't be ANY kind of marks in the paint before I use M07 and NXT 2.0, right??

Soooooo, I guess I'm looking for more suggestions. I might look into trying what Shane suggested. I'm just getting so darn fed up and frustrated right now. I know there has GOT to be something out there and I know it's going to be a lot of work, but in the end I'm sure it will be worth it.

Anyone know if the Lake Country 6.5 inch pads will fit the backing plate that came with the G110v2?? Or if there's much difference between the LC pads and the Meg's finishing/polishing pads?

Thank you in advance for any help

[CSI K-9]

Re: Holograms on the Merc!!

With all due respect to Shane, before you go out and buy more pads let's give the M205 another shot. Since it offers a crazy long buffing cycle we would suggest you run it on a finishing pad with moderate pressure on speed 4 to 5 for a few passes, then slow down to speed 3 for a few more passes. Working a 2' x 2' area (or even a bit larger) you can pass over every square inch probably a dozen times without the product drying out.

Well alright, I will definitely try this for sure first! I'll report back with my results and go from there. Thanks a bunch!!

Love that crazy long M205 buffing cycle!!

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Holograms on the Merc!!

With all due respect to Shane, before you go out and buy more pads let's give the M205 another shot. Since it offers a crazy long buffing cycle we would suggest you run it on a finishing pad with moderate pressure on speed 4 to 5 for a few passes, then slow down to speed 3 for a few more passes. Working a 2' x 2' area (or even a bit larger) you can pass over every square inch probably a dozen times without the product drying out.

Just for kicks, primarily because not every paint is going to react the same to a given input, try one test spot as stated above, then do another right next to it but skip the slowing down part. Buff for the same amount of time, just keep a constant speed and pressure. See where that gets you first.

In fact, since we mentioned that not all paint systems react the same way, we want to point out that while Shane's experience worked beautifully for him, he was working on a totally different car and paint than you are. What worked great for him in that situation may not work as well for you. It might, but you'd have to spend more money to find out first. At least with our suggestion you're not out any cash automatically. You've got a lot of product there and we're highly confident that you can achieve the results you're after with them.

[CSI K-9]

Re: Holograms on the Merc!!

I used Menzerna PO85rd on a Lake Country CCS 6.5 inch gray pad and it cleared it right up no problem.

Ok, cool, thank YOU!!!! It's worth a shot!

Now, I have the G110v2 that came with the W68DA Velcro Backing Plate - - will that work with the Lake Country 6.5 inch gray pad, or do I have to buy their specific backing plate?? Is there a huge difference between that pad and the 2.0 Finishing pad? (I already ordered 6 Meguiar's pads, and don't want to order another 6, so if it's compatible, I'd like to buy one LC gray pad IF it will fit on the Meguiar's backing plate - I don't need a ton of pads, and I've spent hundreds already, I just do a section at a time when I can..)

Guess you kinda have the Mercury blues right now, huh?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVjBpDbePfA

Nice!!!! OMG, you aren't kidding!!!! (Love that song...)

The thing is, Dad isn't the least bit concerned....he doesn't think it looks that bad to begin with, but he also knows I won't stop until that car is PERFECT!!!!

Thanks again for your help...you ROCK!!

[CieraSL]

Re: Holograms on the Merc!!

Guess you kinda have the Mercury blues right now, huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVjBpDbePfA

[CieraSL]

Re: Holograms on the Merc!!

I'd say it's probably just micro marring from the M105. You can't create holograms with a DA - it just doesn't have the power (compared to a rotary). I had the same problem on my car - micro marring from M105. M205 wouldn't clear it up, and Optimum Finish wouldn't clear it up. I used Menzerna PO85rd on a Lake Country CCS 6.5 inch gray pad and it cleared it right up no problem. The reason I referenced Auto Geek instead of ADS is because it came out a bit cheaper. For a 6-pack of 6.5 inch pads (which you can mix and match) and 32 oz. of PO85rd, it came out to be $97 total at Auto Geek including shipping and $106 total at ADS including shipping. So yes, a bit pricey, but definitely worth it. That would be my recommendation, anyway.

[CSI K-9]

(Mods, not sure if this is in the right spot, so feel free to move it...)

Howdy!

I'm in need of some suggestions here. I recently got my G110v2 and did some paint correction on my Dad's 1951 Mercury. If you're not familiar, here's my post:

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42183

All has been going well and I couldn't be happier. I even pulled it out the other day to have a look at the hood in the afternoon sun and it looked ok, so I finished the rest of it. Yesterday, I opened up the garage door and there was the trunk in the sun and it was full of holograms!! I was so disappointed, not in Meguiar's, but myself.

My process was:

ONR
Clay
M105 x2 w/ 2.0 Polishing pad, speed 5
ONR (to get dust off)
M205 w/ 2.0 Finishing pad, speed 4

I was VERY careful to use all fresh, clean pads and microfibers, and really took my time with the D/A.

I went out today and tried some Swirl X (x2), with a 2.0 finishing and also a polishing pad, speed 2 and 3, and even 4 and 5. I tried Color X and some M07 (all on different sections). I ended up going over the whole trunk with Swirl X twice with light to medium pressure on the polisher. While the holograms are greatly reduced, they are still visible. The sun went down rather quickly and I didn't think quick enough to get my camera.

I'm sure this is a rookie mistake (we all gotta learn somewhere). I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions, another product to try, method of application, or if you think a couple more applications of Swirl X, then M07, then NXT 2.0 might take care of it. Maybe another light application of M205?

In this case, do you think maybe the paint is very soft and needs a bit gentler touch with the Swirl X and polisher, or maybe a bit more aggressive?

I will try to get some pictures tomorrow in the sun if you think it would help with suggestions.

Other than that, I'm very happy with the way all the defects came out:





Thanks all for your help!