Newie upgrde to G110V2

[gabocar]

Hi:

I´ve been reading a lot of thread but i´m very confused. I saw some many recomendations about products

I just thinking upgrade my detaling technic, i always works by hand with Deep Crystal Product, but i want to jump to G100V2

My question is:
Which will be the firsts products what i need to order with my new G100V2? (Cleaner, polish and wax)

Thanks

Gabo

[Dubbin1]

Re: Newie upgrde to G110V2

Various pads, M105, M205, a good wax or sealant, clay bar and plenty of mircofiber towels.

[FastFish71]

Re: Newie upgrde to G110V2

Hey Gabocar,

I don't know if you bought your G110v2 yet, but I just bought the Express-Kit through ATD. The kit includes 3 soft buff 2.0 foam pads, a duffel bag, and free shipping for $169.99. I don't have much experience with it yet, but M83+M80+nxt 2.0 seems to be a popular combination. I picked up D151 and M21, but I was more interested in trying D151 on my rotary... It does work with the G110v2 though. Hope this helps!

[BlackHawk]

Re: Newie upgrde to G110V2

Search Youtube for... M105/M205 Versus M85/M83

I have to learn a lot more. I'm surprised such an aggressive product like M105 is recommended so often. Doesn't the paint have to be in awful shape to warrant it's use? Can all 4 of these products be used with the G110V2? Wouldn't Ultimate Compound or Swirl-X handle these basic defect jobs?

[FastFish71]

Re: Newie upgrde to G110V2

I've been doing a lot of research on these products myself, and here's what I've found. M105/205 does work with DA's, but should be saved for finishes needing serious correction. M105 can be very aggressive and is engineered to remove 1500 grit sanding marks during the cut-and-buff process. That said, M105 on a DA will not wear down the finish as much as it will on a rotary; especially a rotary with a wool cutting pad... But should still be saved for the more serious jobs. A lot of people on here report great success with the milder M83/80 combination or even the all-in-one D151 on basic defects. Moreover, the rule of thumb is to start light and move more aggressive if needed.
All of the above mentioned products are for use with both a DA and a rotary tool. Ultimate Compound and Swirl X are recommended for hand and DA application only. That said, Ultimate Compound is a fairly aggressive product and is reported to offer considerable defect correction, which means it may still be over-kill for lighter jobs. Swirl X is a less aggressive product and a good starting point if you feel that your finish has only mild defects.
If you want more information on these and other products, search around the boards. I know Mike Stoops and Mike Phillips have posted several informative comparison and recommendation guides. If I run across them again, I'll post links in this thread. Hope this helps!

[BlackHawk]

Re: Newie upgrde to G110V2

I've been doing a lot of research on these products myself, and here's what I've found. M105/205 does work with DA's, but should be saved for finishes needing serious correction. M105 can be very aggressive and is engineered to remove 1500 grit sanding marks during the cut-and-buff process. That said, M105 on a DA will not wear down the finish as much as it will on a rotary; especially a rotary with a wool cutting pad... But should still be saved for the more serious jobs. A lot of people on here report great success with the milder M83/80 combination or even the all-in-one D151 on basic defects. Moreover, the rule of thumb is to start light and move more aggressive if needed.
All of the above mentioned products are for use with both a DA and a rotary tool. Ultimate Compound and Swirl X are recommended for hand and DA application only. That said, Ultimate Compound is a fairly aggressive product and is reported to offer considerable defect correction, which means it may still be over-kill for lighter jobs. Swirl X is a less aggressive product and a good starting point if you feel that your finish has only mild defects.
If you want more information on these and other products, search around the boards. I know Mike Stoops and Mike Phillips have posted several informative comparison and recommendation guides. If I run across them again, I'll post links in this thread. Hope this helps!

Thank you! That was very informative! I appreciate it. Yes... if you find those comparisons/guide please post or send them my way. Thanks again!

[FastFish71]

Re: Newie upgrde to G110V2

Here are two articles I found very insightful:

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28407

http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38239

Glad my other post helped!

[FastFish71]

Re: Newie upgrde to G110V2

Hey Gabocar,

I don't know if you bought your G110v2 yet, but I just bought the Express-Kit through ATD

I just realized this major typo! I meant ADS or auto detailing solutions. Sorry guys.

[BlackHawk]

Re: Newie upgrde to G110V2

Thanks again FastFish. I noticed in the one article it said...

"NOTE: M205 is specifically formulated and intended to be used with a rotary buffer.

So it's not intended for the G110V2 DA?

[FastFish71]

Re: Newie upgrde to G110V2

Apparently so. I would follow Meguiars recommendations for 205. I have not worked with it personally, and while some may have successfully used it with a DA, I wouldn't use it on a complete vehicle without practicing on a junk panel first, if at all. From what I understand of 205, it's designed to follow 105 in order to remove marring and halos instilled by the rotary/105 combination. It may be specially formulated for that purpose, which shouldn't be as much a problem with the 105/DA combination.

[Michael Stoops]

Re: Newie upgrde to G110V2

I have to learn a lot more. I'm surprised such an aggressive product like M105 is recommended so often. Doesn't the paint have to be in awful shape to warrant it's use? Can all 4 of these products be used with the G110V2? Wouldn't Ultimate Compound or Swirl-X handle these basic defect jobs?

You are absolutely 100% spot on. We developed M105 for use with a rotary buffer and a wool pad to pull out 1000 grit sanding marks while leaving a very nice finish that is easily finished up with a light cleaner/polish. For some reason half the detailing world decided to start using it for minor defect correction with a D/A, and loved it! There are still some potential issues when using it this way, one being that at times M105 can start to dry out a bit on a D/A, especially if you over use it. And most people have a tendency to overuse most products.

Keep in mind, however, that M105 won't cut as much on a polishing pad affixed to a D/A as it will on a wool pad mounted to a rotary, simply because of the additional cut provided by that pad and that tool. But still, in most cases Ultimate Compound is probably a better choice for routine defect correction with a D/A.

Our Saturday Classes used to make use of M80 during the demo process, primarily because our consumer line didn't really have a product with sufficient cutting power to be used with the D/A. M80 was the go to product for years, with M83 being the back up when a little more oomph was needed. But Ultimate Compound (derived from M105, by the way) offers a lot more in the way of cut, and finishes out very nicely the vast majority of the time. Not to mention it's less expensive than M105, and a whole lot easier to find. But from a usability standpoint for the consumer, it's a much more forgiving product that offers a much longer buffing cycle, while returning excellent results.