Can I go right from UC with a G110 to Swissvax Cleaner Fluid/Wax?

[computerpro3]

I am trying to get this figured out for my dad for father's day...I already bought a bunch of products but I'm confused if I can go straight from UC to the Swissvax Cleaner Fluid and Wax I bought. The car has never been detailed beore so I figured that I would start with UC instead of something less aggressive like Scratchx.

This will be on an Audi A8L, which has notoriously hard paint from what I've read.

If not, should I do something like swirlX in the middle?

Thanks, I appreciate it.

[AeroCleanse]

Re: Can I go right from UC with a G110 to Swissvax Cleaner Fluid/Wax?

If you get the defects out with UC, then you can go right to Swissvax Cleaner Fluid, then wax.

[MrCLRider]

Re: Can I go right from UC with a G110 to Swissvax Cleaner Fluid/Wax?

What part of Cincy are you in??

[Bounty]

Re: Can I go right from UC with a G110 to Swissvax Cleaner Fluid/Wax?

I am trying to get this figured out for my dad for father's day...I already bought a bunch of products but I'm confused if I can go straight from UC to the Swissvax Cleaner Fluid and Wax I bought. The car has never been detailed beore so I figured that I would start with UC instead of something less aggressive like Scratchx.

This will be on an Audi A8L, which has notoriously hard paint from what I've read.

If not, should I do something like swirlX in the middle?

Thanks, I appreciate it.

To be honest without knowledge of the paint's condition, paint color, your goals for the final look, and the paint condition assessment after application of Ultimate Compound no one can really give you the answer you're looking for.

My best generalized opinion would be that even Ultimate Compound applied with a limited machine like the G110 will produce fairly adequate defect removal and should completely remove minor swirling, marring, water etching, and oxidation...restoring color and gloss to the paint. UC does not tend to leave as much induced marring as M105 so it is very conceivable you could go straight to a wax. Depending on the particular Swissvax product you are referring to, they do not have a ton of filling properties so the final result (especially on darker paint) will still display RID's, heavier swrling, and deep defects. It should still look a LOT better.

If you want an OTC (over-the-counter) product to use after UC then SwirlX, ScratchX, or ColorX would be fine. No need to use a finishing glaze like Meg's #7 as the chemical cleaning properties of that particular Swissvax cleaning product would likely remove any base layer underneath.

Hope this helps...

[Bubba Hyde]

Re: Can I go right from UC with a G110 to Swissvax Cleaner Fluid/Wax?

I'll chime in with my experience using UC with a G110. I was working on a 2003 Silverado that was Victory Red and I would have been able to go straight from UC to a wax without an issue. Since this is my daily driver, and I'm trying to drum up some "on the side" business, I followed up with some 205. It helped to deepen the gloss somewhat, but there was no hazing from the UC to deal with.

What worked well for me was 2 passes with moderate pressure and a slow-to-medium arm speed, then one pass with lighter pressure and the same arm speed, then two passes with almost no pressure and a slow arm speed. This removed all the swirls and light scratches.

However, the condition of your paint and the color of the car, as well as your desired result, may require a different attack plan than what I used. I noticed that even different panels on the same truck required a slightly different strategy.

Try a test spot - it may work out fine.

Good luck.
Steve

[john m.]

Re: Can I go right from UC with a G110 to Swissvax Cleaner Fluid/Wax?

Ill post the most used questions

What are you working on? What are your goals? Working by hand or machine?

Ill go ahead and put my comment. Because all paints are different this is a difficult decision. If you want perfect paint and are able to remove all defects with the UC than it would be fine to apply the cleaner. Basically if you are happy with your results you can move on to other steps. And it all depends on how well the UC finishes off on your paint. Some cars will finish out better than others.

John

[john m.]

Re: Can I go right from UC with a G110 to Swissvax Cleaner Fluid/Wax?

Just saw in your other thread that you purchased a G110 so a good thing to do would be to read through this...How to remove defects by machine...it uses the G100 in this thread but the same principles apply

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Can I go right from UC with a G110 to Swissvax Cleaner Fluid/Wax?

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The car has never been detailed before so I figured that I would start with UC instead of something less aggressive like ScratchX.

This will be on an Audi A8L, which has notoriously hard paint from what I've read.

If not, should I do something like swirlX in the middle?

Audi's with hard paint are a challenge with a DA Polisher because the some of the paints are indeed very hard but I've worked on some newer Audi's that have paint that's as soft as butter.

There's no way anyone can tell you what you can do from the forum because the way you find out what you can do is by doing a test spot on the car in the garage. What you want to do is a Test Spot and then evaluate the results. The results from your test spot will tell you if you can go straight to wax or if you're going to need to do more work.

Don't generalize paint systems on cars because there is no constant norm.

From our "How To Articles" forum.


TEST SPOT

How to do a Test Spot

Before going over the entire car, see if you can make just one small section look good, that is apply the product you're planning on using over the entire car to just one small section about a foot squared or so. Work it in and then wipe it off, then apply the polish, work it in but not as much as the compound because now you're not trying to remove paint, just spread the product out, then immediately wipe it off, then apply the wax and let it fully dry and then wipe it off.

Now inspect our results. Make sure you can make one small section look GREAT before going over then entire car. If you can't make one small section look GREAT you won't be able to make the entire car look GREAT.

Make sense?

It should look like this,




And if you're having any problems, the post back here after the test section and we'll help you tweak your technique to insure you get it right.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Can I go right from UC with a G110 to Swissvax Cleaner Fluid/Wax?

If you haven't already, read through the below thread which can be found on the forum homepage because it's referenced so often.

How To use: G110 - G220 - G100 - PC/Porter Cable - UDM
If you're moving up to machine polishing, be sure to read the below thread before starting...
Tips & Techniques for using the G110, G100, G220 and the PC Dual Action Polisher
(These are all similar tools)

And seriously, read through the common mistakes and then the remedies as they truly are the most common mistakes and the remedies will correct them.