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**Lexus Guy04** · Dec 25, 2008, 02:15 PM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

First off, Welcome to MOL and Merry Christmas. As to your questions, I have found that compounds almost always work more effeciently on the rotary, and a lot are not recommended for usage on the PC. Now after saying that, there have been quite a few on here that have use compounds on their PC and have had great results. Personally, I always compound with the Rotary (Makita 9227), and polish/wax with the PC (G110). The newly formulated M105 which should be coming out soon can be used with the PC, and is the most effective compound most of us have ever used. As for swirl mark removal on the PC, #80, #83, and now #205 are all fantastic options when trying to remove swirl marks. Keep us updated on how everything is coming along, we are all here to help.

**akimel** · Dec 25, 2008, 02:54 PM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

Sounds like the reformualted M105 is what you are looking for. It will be out, so I understand, early 2009. Also look for Ultimate Compound and SwirlX, also due out early 2009.

**MoogLe** · Dec 25, 2008, 10:50 PM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

well the thing is, i dont own a rotary and dont plan on owning one anytime soon.

so i need to make due with what i currently have

i'm actually looking to order the compound this week since im putting together an order of some stuff this week from www.autogeek.com so i'm not really looking to wait till januari/febuari to order the new formula of the m105.

is the new formula really THAT much different than the old one?

after looking at the autogeek website they recommended mirror glaze heavy cut cleaner http://www.autogeek.net/meg4heavclea.html as a meguiars compound to be used with the DA buffer. what would you guys say about that?

**Mike Phillips** · Dec 26, 2008, 12:20 AM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

Originally posted by MoogLe View Post

well the thing is, i dont own a rotary and dont plan on owning one anytime soon.

so i need to make due with what i currently have

i'm actually looking to order the compound this week since im putting together an order of some stuff this week from www.autogeek.com so i'm not really looking to wait till januari/febuari to order the new formula of the m105.

Best to go with what's available and what's recommended by the manufacture for the way you intend to use it regardless of the manufacture. So if you're wanting a compound for use with a DA at this time the new M105 is not available so maybe see what Autogeek has to offer that they DO recommend for use with a DA Polisher.

At least I have not heard that the reformulated version is available anywhere as of todays posting date.

Originally posted by MoogLe View Post

is the new formula really THAT much different than the old one?

Yes. Taking a product that was originally formulated for use in body shops on fresh paint using a rotary buffer and primarily a Wool Pad and changing it so much so that it can now be used with a dramatically less powerful tool using a foam pad is a huge change in product characteristics.

Originally posted by MoogLe View Post

after looking at the autogeek website they recommended mirror glaze heavy cut cleaner http://www.autogeek.net/meg4heavclea.html as a meguiars compound to be used with the DA buffer. what would you guys say about that?

If it's a new bottle of M0416 then the back label CLEARLY STATES For Rotary Buffer Use Only. If it's an old bottle of M04, like 20 years old or so, then it could actually say for use with a rotary buffer, orbital buffer or by hand as that was the directions during the time before clear coats went mainstream and during the transition time. A new bottle of M04 states on the back label,

Method of Application: Rotary Buffer Only

The original formula for this product was formulated for use by hand but that was back when the Model T was introduced.

Over time we update ALL our formulas whenever new technology becomes available to match changes in the industry and currently M04 is only for use with a rotary buffer.

So if you're using a Dual Action Polisher and don't want to wait for the new, reformulated M105 or for Ultimate Compound to come out, then see what Autogeek has to offer that they DO recommend for use with a DA Polisher as we don't recommend to use our products outside of their official application directions.

Hope that helps...

**mb911** · Dec 26, 2008, 12:25 AM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

If the new M105 can be used on a less powerful machine with a gentler pad, why couldn't a product that was actually for a more aggressive machine on fresher paint, be used on a gentler machine? Would almost make you think the old 105 would be more mild on a DA than the new one, but that is just my craziness.

**Mike Phillips** · Dec 26, 2008, 12:29 AM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

Originally posted by MoogLe;

after looking at the autogeek website they recommended mirror glaze heavy cut cleaner http://www.autogeek.net/meg4heavclea.html as a meguiars compound to be used with the DA buffer. what would you guys say about that?

Just visited the link above and here's what Autogeek has posted,

First paragraph from this webpage

Swirl Removers, Compounds & Car Polishes: remove swirls with swirl mark removers, scratch removers, spiderwebs, car polish, rubbing compound,

http://www.autogeek.net/meg4heavclea.html

Swirl Removers, Compounds and Polishes - Polish away swirls and scratches with our swirl removers, car polishes, compounds, and scratch removers. Each polish levels swirl marks to restore a smooth, glossy finish. Think of your vehicles clear coat ...

If you need to tackle major paint problems--the worst possible stains, scratches, blemishes, and serious oxidation--this is the product for you. Developed to power out the neglect, Meguiar’s #4 Heavy-Cut Cleaner is designed to be used with a polisher. Note: Rotary buffers run at very high RPM's and should only be used by someone with rotary experience. Meguiar's recommends #4 Heavy-Cut Cleaner be used only with a rotary buffer but you can also use a dual action polisher for excellent results.

Autogeek is recommending to you to use it what a DA Polisher but we are not. Note the portion that is red above. That's Autogeeks recommendation, not Meguiar's.

If you run into problems with the product hazing or micro-marring the paint when used with a tool that oscillates then you'll want to take these problems up with Autogeek as the Meguiar's official recommendation for M04 Heavy Cut Cleaner is to only use it with a rotary buffer.

**Mike Phillips** · Dec 26, 2008, 12:33 AM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

Originally posted by mb911 View Post

If the new M105 can be used on a less powerful machine with a gentler pad, why couldn't a product that was actually for a more aggressive machine on fresher paint, be used on a gentler machine? Would almost make you think the old 105 would be more mild on a DA than the new one, but that is just my craziness.

I'm not a chemist, but I trust our chemists to know what they're doing.

The forum is full of questions and hypothetical scenarios but sometimes it comes down to trusting the name on the label and what they're recommending.

Lots of people like to experiment on their own and sometimes people have great luck using a product outside the official recommendation, but sometimes they don't.

So if you want to use a product outside the official recommendation then just realize you're on your own and start with a Test Spot.

We will of course be here to help you if things go badly.

**MoogLe** · Dec 26, 2008, 09:57 AM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

Originally posted by Mike Phillips View Post

Just visited the link above and here's what Autogeek has posted,

Autogeek is recommending to you to use it what a DA Polisher but we are not. Note the portion that is red above. That's Autogeeks recommendation, not Meguiar's.

If you run into problems with the product hazing or micro-marring the paint when used with a tool that oscillates then you'll want to take these problems up with Autogeek as the Meguiar's official recommendation for M04 Heavy Cut Cleaner is to only use it with a rotary buffer.

lol

yea that's exactly why i'm asking here, cause like you said, autogeek clearly stated that you dont recommend it for DA but that it can be used.

i havent found ANY compounds on their site that is specifically recommended for DA buffers.

the thing is that i'm sure that the one i'm currently using isnt made for DA's either as it's very dry, but i've had great results with it so far, just that it cakes the pads very quickly.

i guess i'll just wait for the new formula to come out and buy it later

**CAShine** · Dec 26, 2008, 10:06 AM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

I am a huge fan of #83 on the DA. #80 is also great and is less aggressive.

**Beginner2002** · Dec 26, 2008, 10:23 AM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

Originally posted by MoogLe View Post

lol

..... that's exactly why i'm asking here.......

Buy Meguiar's toys from ADS (no forum..no experts....no Pro-Fake) then surf MOL for support..

**MoogLe** · Dec 26, 2008, 10:32 AM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

ADS?

could you specify what you mean by ADS?

is that a store or something?

**Beginner2002** · Dec 26, 2008, 10:45 AM

Re: which compound for DA usage?

Originally posted by MoogLe View Post

ADS?

could you specify what you mean by ?

is that a store or something?

ADS = Auto Detailing Solutions

I think you can also pickup your toys if your're in Arizona.

Here's the link:

http://www.autodetailingsolutions.net/

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