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[Speedway]

Hello everyone!!

I just wanted to share with everyone that I just place an order with Rick at ADS and he hooked me up the the DA Promo Package #2:

1 Meguiar's G110 Polisher
1 W67DA Velcro Backing Plate.
2 W8006 Foam Polishing Pad
1 W9006 Foam Finishing Pad
1 Meguiar's Clay Bar (Small)
1 M8032 Speed Glaze 32 oz.
1 G12718 NXT Tech Wax 2.0 18 oz.
1 G13224 NXT Speed Detailer 24 oz.
3 16 x 16 Microfiber Towels
2 Ultimate DA Microfiber Bonnets
1 Meguiars Apron

I cant wait to use this package, The weather looks great for the Weekend so you know what I will be doing!!

Just to give you some back ground of my self, I'm a newbie for about a year now, Have been doing the 5 step (wash, Clay, DC1, DC2, Nxt 2.0) process on a 1998 ext ca z71 truck and a 2008 Honda Accord Sedan every 3 mo all by HAND!! OUCH!!! The cars are in Great condition so no deep scraches just a few web scraches, So I should not need very abbrasive chem or pads.

I hope I will like this package and I think I will it just scares me to put a machine on my cars. But I think I have read a lot of the fourm and feel that I can do it.

Is there any suggestions? How dose everyone like the #80 compared to DC1 and DC2?

[Nappers]

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I like M80. It's more aggressive than the DC series and below M83. It's pretty much "old reliable" as far as a paint cleaner goes. I have a gallon of it and working on an old '66 Dodge pickup single stage paint and it works great.

I have used my DC step one with my G100 to start with my Yukon as the paint is easily correctable, remember start with least aggressive first.

[Speedway]

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Is 80 the least abrasive you can go? Because I hve very few web marks on the cars. Is DC desgined fro a DA?

[Mike Phillips]

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Is 80 the least abrasive you can go? Because I hve very few web marks on the cars. Is DC desgined fro a DA?

No.

A light cleaner/polish like M09 or Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner, or ScratchX will be less aggressive than M80 Speed Glaze.

If you have some ScratchX, then try that first.

Be sure to read through this to insure you're doing everything right and not making the most common mistakes.

From the center column of the forum homepage,

If you're moving up to machine polishing, be sure to read the below thread before starting...
Tips & Techniques for using the G110, G100, G220 and the PC Dual Action Polisher
(These are all similar tools)

[J. A. Michaels]

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Read those tips on the homepage. You should be fine. It is very hard to goof up with either the G100/110. Please post some pics of your before and afters. I am sure it will come out looking great. Good luck.

[Speedway]

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Hey guys I have just came in from the garage, I just came up with another question. I have did the 5 step system on my truck about 3mo ago but have driven it 5 time since then and it has always been parked indoors. I QD my truck and ran my hand over the paint and I don't feel any contaminates (very smooth still) My question is should I clay the truck or just wash and apply m80 and wax. Will the M80 take all the polish and wax off??

Also I have a 2008 Honda Accord that is 4mo old and still has the factory wax on it, I have not done the 5 step, I did use QD on it and can feel contaminates in the paint (rough) since it is the daily driver, my question here is do I wash clay and then use the DA, M80 and wax or do I wash clay, DC1, DC2 and wax by hand? Is there any need to use the DA??

[Mikejl]

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If the paint on your truck feels smooth you can skip the Clay step. Make sure you've checked all the surfaces so you know you haven't missed anywhere. Yes, after using M80 you will need to reapply wax or sealant to the paint for protection.

On the Accord wash (2 bucket method highly recommended), Clay, and then inspect for scratches or swirls, you can then use the G110 on a test spot starting with the least aggressive product first until you find what works. You could use DC1, DC2, and wax all by hand if you wanted, but using the G110 will be easier, faster and much more fun.

Mike

[Speedway]

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If the paint on your truck feels smooth you can skip the Clay step. Make sure you've checked all the surfaces so you know you haven't missed anywhere.

On the Accord wash (2 bucket method highly recommended), Clay, and then inspect for scratches or swirls, if you see them then use M80 with the DA and 8006 pad, and wax x2. You could DC1, DC2, and wax by hand if you wanted to, but using the G110 will be easier, faster and much more fun.

Mike

So I guess what I'm trying to say on the Accord do I even need to do anything with it only being 4 mo old? Is the DC1 and DC2 designed for a DA? And yes we ALWAYS wash with the 2 bucket method!!
Should I stay away from the DA on the Accord (brand new)?

As far as the truck yes all surfaces (vertical and horizontal) are nice and smooth!! I just have web scratches and very few minor scratches in the paint and I want to get them out.
So wash M80 and wax?
M80 will be the polish and cleaner?
and it will take all old wax and polish off without clay?

[Speedway]

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No.

A light cleaner/polish like M09 or Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner, or ScratchX will be less aggressive than M80 Speed Glaze.

If you have some ScratchX, then try that first.

Be sure to read through this to insure you're doing everything right and not making the most common mistakes.

From the center column of the forum homepage,

If you're moving up to machine polishing, be sure to read the below thread before starting...
Tips & Techniques for using the G110, G100, G220 and the PC Dual Action Polisher
(These are all similar tools)

Mike No to what?? DC1 and DC2 is not designed for a DA, or there is a less aggressive chem then M80??

Also when you say try ScratchX first since this is just a cleaner then I need to follow with a polish right??

Also do you recommend to stay off the New Accord with the DA and do it by hand?

One more question what is the best way to maintain a great finish? I know I do the 5 step but do I do it with a DA every time? Every time use M80 then wax?, Or once I get the scratches out go back to hand? I'm looking for what I should do to keep the cars looking great and looking for what method, chem and pads to after wash and clay.

Sorry for the long post as I know you are busy but this forum is so helpful!!!

[Nappers]

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Speedway - Mike No to what?? DC1 and DC2 is not designed for a DA, or there is a less aggressive chem then M80??

Mike Phillips - .....A light cleaner/polish like M09 or Deep Crystal Paint Cleaner, or ScratchX will be less aggressive than M80 Speed Glaze.

If you have some ScratchX, then try that first.

He meant no that M80 is not the least aggressive, M09 and DC#1 are less aggressive than M80(look at the rest of his post)

Speedway - Also when you say try ScratchX first since this is just a cleaner then I need to follow with a polish right??

Following ScratchX with a polish is an option, waxing is what you want to do.

Speedway - Also do you recommend to stay off the New Accord with the DA and do it by hand?

Do a test spot, it would be terrible to do the whole car and step back and not like the result. I worked a long time on my test spot on our Neon to get a process dialed in then the rest of the car went pretty smooth. I have read in the past that Honda's have a soft clear coat therefore, an agressive product will leave swirls marks. I think if memory serves, a member used ColorX as a paint cleaner and followed it with a wax.

Speedway - One more question what is the best way to maintain a great finish? I know I do the 5 step but do I do it with a DA every time? Every time use M80 then wax?,.....

Do the five step as you need, meaning get a good light source or use the sun as I have for so long. I do the five step (meaning full detail) about 2-3 times a year or maybe try to do it every season. Part of the 5 step is maintain (the 5th step), meaning using good products, towels, wash mitts etc to prevent swirling your car. Stay away from car washes.

[Mikejl]

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So I guess what I'm trying to say on the Accord do I even need to do anything with it only being 4 mo old?

That depends on the condition of the paint. I used M80 with a DA on my brand new 2009 Camry at 1 month old because of DISO (dealer installed swirl option). If your paint is free of scratches and swirls you only need to wash, clay, polish (optional), and wax. If you have scratches in a few local areas and feel more comfortable removing them by hand instead of Machine, then that is ok. Re-read Mike Phillip's and Napper's posts about using the least aggressive product first. Your first step should be to read everything in that link Mike posted for you.

I understand how you feel about using the DA for the first time, especially on your brand new car. Once you've used it on your truck and get a feel for it you will want to use it on your new Accord.

... Is the DC1 and DC2 designed for a DA?

I don't believe it was designed for a DA, but I will let Mike or one of the experts answer that for you.

... As far as the truck yes all surfaces (vertical and horizontal) are nice and smooth!! I just have web scratches and very few minor scratches in the .and I want to get them out.
So wash M80 and wax?
M80 will be the polish and cleaner?
and it will take all old wax and polish off without clay?

Yes

[Speedway]

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He meant no that M80 is not the least aggressive, M09 and DC#1 are less aggressive than M80(look at the rest of his post)


Following ScratchX with a polish is an option, waxing is what you want to do.


Do a test spot, it would be terrible to do the whole car and step back and not like the result. I worked a long time on my test spot on our Neon to get a process dialed in then the rest of the car went pretty smooth. I have read in the past that Honda's have a soft clear coat therefore, an agressive product will leave swirls marks. I think if memory serves, a member used ColorX as a paint cleaner and followed it with a wax.


Do the five step as you need, meaning get a good light source or use the sun as I have for so long. I do the five step (meaning full detail) about 2-3 times a year or maybe try to do it every season. Part of the 5 step is maintain (the 5th step), meaning using good products, towels, wash mitts etc to prevent swirling your car. Stay away from car washes.

Thanks for the response but I thought the DA will not produce swirls? Like you have said above??

[Nappers]

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The PC can produce swirls if using the wrong pad/product/technique which is why you do a test spot first.

My Neon had hard as nails clear coat, however, using a red pad with M02 on a rotary left holograms, I then corrected with M83 on a yellow pad with my G100 and it went away, on my test spot, not the whole car. I then dialed in a process using M02 in spots with the G100, M83-8006-G100, M80-8006-G100 and a couple of spots that was not responding to either with rotary, 8006, M02. Now that it is fairly maintained, I will probably stick to M83-8006-G100.

[Speedway]

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What method should I use after I get the web scraches out my truck? Go back to using my hand? So basicaly I bought the DA for one time use to get the scraches out of my truck since the Accord has no scraches on it and I should do the DC1, DC2 and wax by hand.

Sound like wasted money. I thought is was to apply cleaner polish and wax without swirls......

[Nappers]

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The PC is a great tool to apply waxes, polishes and cleaners. If you do it wrong and/or wrong products it can swirl your car up. It's bubba proof and the devastating results are really not that bad and easily correctable, hence using a test spot and starting with the least aggressive product. I typically start with M80 and work my way down or up depending on the results of my test spot and my own personal theory is that the hood, top of doors, trunk (basically tops of the car) is the most abused due to car washes on the occasion, stuff hitting the car, kids leaning on car, dogs jumping on it and the sun beating down on the tops of the car is the worst, it may be wrong???? don't know but figure those areas are the worse and those are my test spots (I usually use the hood as my test spot).

I use my G100 about 4+ times a year to maintain my cars and apply wax inbetween by hand.

It's not a waste of money at all. I used to do my cars by hand and did not come with the results that I do now with the G100.

about 3-4 times a year, I break out my products, do a test spot and dial a process in and go for it. Once I got it maintained (we do use the occasional car wash) and general swirling, scratches from dogs and whatever, I do a full 5 step. I do on occasion inbetween use ColorX as a cleaner/wax combo(AIO=All in one) by the G100 when more drastic conditions are present (winter with road cinders all over the place and getting blasted)

I tried to apply wax with my G100 and I did not like it, either technique was wrong or I just don't like it and need to attend an open garage someday when money is better. I prefer waxing by hand and have a new respect for paste waxes as I used M16 for the first time and love it and can do a more precise waxing by hand than machine. Others prefer to wax via PC/G100/DA et al. I tend to lay wax on too heavy using a machine and probably waste wax that way, others.....love it like I said.

I do on occasion do spot checking with the sun and now with my new handy dual xenon light and use ScratchX on spots until I do a full 5 step.

Inbetween the five step, I do wash, clay, cleaner wax or just wax depending on how the paint looks or if it does need it on spots (such as the prior mentioned hood, etc) use the G100.

For what it's worth, my Yukon tends to stay pretty nice inbetween 5 steps and our Neon, you could look at it and it will swirl. I once did a full 5 step, looked beautiful, went to Reno, got filthy dirty as it snowed that day and covered in road cinders, couldn't find a decent car wash, had it washed at a drive through and it swirled so bad, broke my heart, however, I did not have to go as deep as the first time I did the 5 step and it came out fine after 1-2 passes of M83 I believe and is maintained decent enough. I don't use car washes on it anymore as it swirls so easy and the clear coat is hard as rocks.

It's worth it

Have fun

Aaron