Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

[RogueGypsy]

Alright, so my Bro buys a new car and it's up to me to get the old car looking spanky so he can sell it. SO I go at his '90 Intrepid that's never seen wax and has only rarely been washed. First a good wash with Super Soap and the Foamaster, then a good clay. A second wash and I go for some #80 on a 9006 pad on speed 5 (PC 7336), not gonna do it. Then #80 on an 8006 pad on speed 5, still no luck. Not having any 83, I decide to break the rules and step up to a 7006 pad with #80 on speed 5. Now I'm getting some results, but way too slow (4 passes). So having already broken one rule I go for broke and kick the PC up to 6. Now were talking action. I can apply as much pressure as I like with out the pad stopping and 1-2 passes is taking care of everything. WOOHOO. I went over it again with #80 on an 8006 pad on speed 6 and WOW . Finished it of with some NXT 2.0 and the POP was amazing.

In direct sunlight it was like looking through a pool of water.

I don't recommend doing this with your paint as Meguair's does not recommend it.

I, however, had to try it and while I'll probably not try the 7006 pad again. I like speed 6 on the PC. I could not feel the paint heating up after any of my passes, so I'm wondering if there are any potential draw backs to runing at speed 6 on the PC????


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[Nick Chapman]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

Keep doing it and the velcro will release from the pad. The glue that holds the velcro to the pad can not handle the heat from speed 6 very well. Eventually, it will seperate, and I hope you notice this happening before it happens while you have the machine on the car.

Can you imagine that glue seperating while you're working on a car? Instant PC to paint contact with no pad in sight!

Nick

[RogueGypsy]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

DOH! I knew there'd be a catch.


I guess I just need to step up to a Flex or go full rotary and quit putzing around with a PC.

Thanks Nick for the heads-up. I'm sure you'd be able to hear the expletives all the way to the right coast if I lost a pad in mid polish...............

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[yalerd]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

Can you imagine that glue seperating while you're working on a car? Instant PC to paint contact with no pad in sight!
Nick

OUCH! Mental picture!!

[Holden_Caulfield04]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

Keep doing it and the velcro will release from the pad. The glue that holds the velcro to the pad can not handle the heat from speed 6 very well. Eventually, it will seperate, and I hope you notice this happening before it happens while you have the machine on the car.

Can you imagine that glue seperating while you're working on a car? Instant PC to paint contact with no pad in sight!

Nick

Really? When I'm using the PC for correction I spend about 90% of the time on speed 6 and I have never had this issue. I don't think you'll get much correction at less than that speed.

[APR Tuned]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.



J/K. I would love to see some though. Good to see our community is trying things different from the "norm". The more we find out, the better our cars will look. Glad to hear you had great results.

[J. A. Michaels]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

After a while the pad, the pad would launch like you were skeet shooting. lol

[pampos]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

i always use speed 6 when i am working with my DA (it is not a G100 or G110 ) and i don't have such problems until now..Maybe it is just my luck but the difference between working on speed 5 and 6 it is huge...It is working like a different machine...The only problem that i had once when i was working on speed 6 with a 4'' inch pad it was that my plate was melded a little bit at the center but i knew that it would happen because i was working it more that 10 minutes without a stop .
Just be careful...If speed 5 works OK it is better to avoid it just to give to your pads and plate more life
p.s. The rules are here to brake them but you have to be ready to pay the results, good or bad , without complaining

[TxRado]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

J/K. I would love to see some though. Good to see our community is trying things different from the "norm". The more we find out, the better our cars will look. Glad to hear you had great results.

Beat me to it

[Mike Pennington]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

We all need to remember a few things when talking about paint correction & speed of the D/A...

Amount of correction is based on many factors...

1) Speed of machine
2) Speed of arm movement
3) Downward pressure
4) Type of paint
5) Age of paint
6) Products used
7) Amount of passes

Just to name a few....

The above 7 variables are also true for a rotary, as well as a D/A.

A D/A will give you correction below speed 6... We demo almost every Sat in the classes here, and our 20+ Reps in the field demo everyday with great results correcting swirls and other issues at speeds below 6.

I guess it boils down to what is considered correction?

One thing we all need to remember is....Many people are pushing the limits of a D/A....The D/A is not a replacement for what a rotary can do as far as serious correction goes.

[Mike Phillips]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

Really? When I'm using the PC for correction I spend about 90% of the time on speed 6 and I have never had this issue. I don't think you'll get much correction at less than that speed.

Like Mike Pennington pointed out, knowing how to use good technique with both the tool and your products of choice is vitally important.

What's really POWERFUL at our Saturday classes is when we walk the talk, that is we take what we teach in the classroom and prove it in the garage in front of anywhere from 20 to 40 people watching everything you do in real time.

We always have everyone look at the swirls in the paint BEFORE we work on the car, as a matter of fact when I teach the class I have the car positioned in the sun and then tell everyone to position themselves so they can see the swirls and scratches and then to LOCK THAT IMAGE INTO THEIR BRAIN because they need to see the swirls before we work on the car and they need to REMEMBER how they looked before we work on the car.

The reason for this is because after we work on the car by hand and using the DA Polisher on the 5.0 Speed Setting, we're going to make the swirls go away and they need that memory, that mental image of how the paint looked before to fully understand the power of using the right products and the right technique to do the same magic in their own garage.

Of course we also take pictures to remind them in the Pictures & Comments thread, but the because we can't process and show the pictures in a timely manner during the class we direct the people attending the class to look and learn in real time. It has so much meaning when you see it in person but you have to keep your audience focused on the before if you want the after to have real impact.

Here's a famous example of real paint correction being done using the 5.0 speed setting, but there are hundreds in the sub-forums in this forum catagory... hundreds...

Detailing Classes - Pictures & Comments

The swirls in the paint were inflicted using a rotary buffer and likely a wool pad and some kind of compound at a SoCal Car Dealership.

• The section on the passenger's side was done by hand using ScratchX.
  
• The section on the driver's side was done using the G100 on the 5.0 Speed Setting.

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After



On this forum we don't tell people how to do a procedure unless we already know it works. We've been teaching more people for more decades the art of polishing paint than any person I can think of or any company you can name.

You can read all kinds of recommendations for how to do things on other forums, but just one of the things that separates our forum from the rest is we make sure the how-to information posted on this forum is accurate and will enable a person to be successful when they take what they've learned out into their garage and work on their car.

That's where the rubber meets the road.

The other thing that separates this forum from the rest when it comes to meaty how to content is we're held accountable for the content on this forum and if and when any problems arise there is a company and a team of people that will stand behind our products and our information.

[kty10]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

Is the random orbit of the PC the reason why the velcro backing can fail? I don't recall anyone noting this happening while using a rotary.

[pampos]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

Just one question please.Why speed 6 is placed on it, if using it you brake the rules??Isn't it to use it for deeper scratches etc etc??

[RaskyR1]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

Actually this brings up concern for me using the FLEX and W8006 pads. I use the machine at a speed of 4-5 pad and now I wonder if it's generating more heat given the forced rotational drive?

Any suggestions on this Mike?

[Ivan Rajic]

Re: Always breaking the rules, it's in my nature.

Is the random orbit of the PC the reason why the velcro backing can fail? I don't recall anyone noting this happening while using a rotary.

Yes.

Just one question please.Why speed 6 is placed on it, if using it you brake the rules??Isn't it to use it for deeper scratches etc etc??

The tool isn't only for polishing... it can be used for sanding, etc. Also, the PC heats up faster creating lots of heat in the middle of the backing plate, thus burning up the middle of the velcro on both the plate and backing of pads... in theory, the backing plates and pads aren't tough enough for the PC's heat...
That said, I use the PC on speed 6 all the time... burned through one Meguiar's backing plate, had better luck with LC backing plates which are still fine after 10+ months of use (Meg's lasted about 2 months) There's no way I can be patient enough to do correction with the PC on speed 5, unless I'm using something for a finishing polish and not many swirls/defects remain.
So in short, speed 6 can be used, just be careful about the over heating.

Actually this brings up concern for me using the FLEX and W8006 pads. I use the machine at a speed of 4-5 pad and now I wonder if it's generating more heat given the forced rotational drive?

Any suggestions on this Mike?

It's the nature of the beast to generate that extra heat as opposed to the rotary. I think one thing I've seen many people do wrong with the PC is apply too much pressure, thinking that pressure will aid the orbital rotation in paint correction... this simply puts more stress on the motor and creates more heat, and because you usually get less correction from the pad spinning less and doing it's job, it's very very counterproductive.