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  • DA Buffer Not Cutting Enough?

    I finally recieved my backing plate to my g100, and was off to the races. My jeep's paint is 6 years old, but has been kept up with pretty well, but never detailed, so I'm removing 6 years of swirls, but they are not that bad, it was almost never washed by hand, but by touchless and powerwashers.

    Anyway, I started with #80, I made an X on my 8006 bonnet about 8 cm x 8cm, QD's the paint (it had been washed the day prior), and started. I was sucessful in removing some swirls, but some small swirls still remained. I was using a little more pressure that the weight of the machine, if that makes any sence. I was a little hesistant about using more pressure, and a faster speed because I wanted to be as minimally invasive as possible. I then tried using my DA on speed 4, with a little more pressure, still using #80, and still not much improvement.

    So waited until today and then stepped up to #83. I'm only using a little more pressure than the machine gives on setting 4, and I get a somewhat better cut, but its not removing the small swirl-scratches. I'm taking about 3 seconds to move two feet, if that makes any sense about my speed, and I'm going in a checkerboard patten. I'm buffing until I go from a murky buff to a light haze.

    I'm absouletly perplexed as to what I need to do next. I dont see the need to compound my finish, as it was not too swirled to begin with, I've compared my finish to some that are displayed in Extreme Makeovers, and its nothing like the swirls I see there.

    I'm thinking my paint is extremly hard. I've removed about 50% of the swirls, but some really small, scratches remain, I cannot feel them with my finger tips, but I can see them under Xenon light. Unforutnley I am not able to use my digital camera at the moment, the batteries always die at the worst times.

    I'm wondering do I need to be using more pressure? Should I be using more product? My hood has never been re-painted or had any work ever done to it, what should be my next step?

  • #2
    Read through this thread and especially the pictures and comments that have to do with the white Ford Lightening Truck.
    Mike Phillips
    760-515-0444
    showcargarage@gmail.com

    "Find something you like and use it often"

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    • #3
      Is there a missing link??? 8-)

      I'm guessing Mike wanted to point you to this link:

      PC + 83 not "Cutting" it! (The Limits of Dual Action Polisher)

      Brian

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      • #4
        I'll start workin with scratch-X, seeing as I dont have any 84 or 85 on hand. Thanks for the tip mike! I look forward to your visit to Dallas!

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        • #5
          Hi Sirius,

          Try to move the PC one inch per sec., and always use speed 6 for correction.

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          • #6
            This is incorrect. NEVER go above speed 5 on the PC. Your risk having a severe accident occuring if you go above 5.

            Use 5 for removing defects and removing wax. Speed 3 for applying polishes/wax.

            Richard

            Originally posted by Bence
            Hi Sirius,

            Try to move the PC one inch per sec., and always use speed 6 for correction.
            Richard Lin
            ShowCarDetailing
            5548 E. La Palma Ave
            Anaheim, CA 92807
            toll free: 866 707 9292

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brian Catalano
              Is there a missing link??? 8-)

              I'm guessing Mike wanted to point you to this link:

              PC + 83 not "Cutting" it! (The Limits of Dual Action Polisher)

              Brian

              Thanks Brian!


              I meant to copy and past the link to that thread and probably had it on the clipboard and then posted without proof-reading.
              Mike Phillips
              760-515-0444
              showcargarage@gmail.com

              "Find something you like and use it often"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bence
                Hi Sirius,

                Try to move the PC one inch per sec., and always use speed 6 for correction.
                Meguiar's doesn't recommend using the dual action polisher past the 5.0 setting because over time the motor on the unit will generate enough heat that the Velcro will separate from the backing plate and from the foam pad. This is true for any foam pad I have ever tested.
                Mike Phillips
                760-515-0444
                showcargarage@gmail.com

                "Find something you like and use it often"

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                • #9
                  Hi guys,

                  I've NEVER had any problems with my pads whatsoever. True, I don't use Megs pads and polishes. I use Riwax pads and Riwax, 1Z, Optimum, Menzerna and Carlack polishes. My Bosch DA has a 4 mm pad throw but a 15000 - 24000 OPM range.

                  There is a huge performance jump between speed 5 and 6. For hard paints I always use speed 6 - and as with pads, I haven't experienced difficulties! What's more, using the 3-5 speed range I soon discovered the limits of a DA polisher. However using it @ 6, I could remove far more serious defects than I thought before.

                  That's why I use exclusively speed 6 for corrective work. Fast, efficient and with the right products it produces wonderful results!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bence
                    Hi guys,

                    I've NEVER had any problems with my pads whatsoever.
                    And when you start your own company, and back up your products with free replacements and handle angry customer service calls, then you can start your own forum and recommend using the dual action polisher on the 6.0 speed setting.

                    See the difference Bence?

                    You're not accountable financially, or personally on this company owned discussion forum when things go wrong.

                    I hope I have put things in the proper perspective for you.

                    Thanks for understanding.
                    Mike Phillips
                    760-515-0444
                    showcargarage@gmail.com

                    "Find something you like and use it often"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bence
                      Hi guys,

                      I've NEVER had any problems with my pads whatsoever. True, I don't use Megs pads and polishes. I use Riwax pads and Riwax, 1Z, Optimum, Menzerna and Carlack polishes. My Bosch DA has a 4 mm pad throw but a 15000 - 24000 OPM range.

                      There is a huge performance jump between speed 5 and 6. For hard paints I always use speed 6 - and as with pads, I haven't experienced difficulties! What's more, using the 3-5 speed range I soon discovered the limits of a DA polisher. However using it @ 6, I could remove far more serious defects than I thought before.

                      That's why I use exclusively speed 6 for corrective work. Fast, efficient and with the right products it produces wonderful results!
                      lol scary im afaid to turn my PC past 3.5 but tomorrow ill turn it to 5 (for the first time) to apply colourX hope nothing goes wrong!

                      is colourX on a W8006 at speed 5 should me enough to remove light cobwebbing ?
                      Patrick Yu
                      2003 Honda Accord
                      2008 Honda Accord EX-L V6

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sneek
                        is colourX on a W8006 at speed 5 should me enough to remove light cobwebbing ?
                        just make sure you do slow overlapping passes (up/down/side to side/horizontal) and you will be fine.

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                        • #13
                          this sounds strange, but the pC is easier to use at 5 than 3-4.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SiriusRIMZ
                            this sounds strange, but the pC is easier to use at 5 than 3-4.
                            The lower speeds can make the foam pad kind of hard to move over the surface because it of the speed and the squishiness of the foam.

                            This is why at our classes on on the forum you'll see two basic recommendations at this time.

                            5.0 Speed Setting to remove defects
                            3.0 Speed Setting to apply wax
                            5.0 Speed Setting to remove wax with a bonnet on a dry pad
                            Mike Phillips
                            760-515-0444
                            showcargarage@gmail.com

                            "Find something you like and use it often"

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                            • #15
                              Yep. Mike stated Meguiar's recommendation; while I reported my own regular practice and experiences.

                              If you give it a try, keep both in mind.

                              Report back your findings! I am curious!

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