"Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

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Sorry guys, time for prayer. Good night and keep the faith. It is far more valuable than anything in this world, 'even wax'. Your assistance has truly been appreciated.

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Thanks mike for the terms. And yes I did a short stint back in the late 90s.

I would imagine that two stints equal one rock.

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M21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0 is a synthetic wax often referred to as a sealant. Sealants last longer than a carnauba wax.

M26 Hi Tech Yellow Wax is a carnauba based wax. It's really a great wax. It has the highest Distinction Of Image or D.O.I. A quote pulled out. Try it sometime. You can get it locally now.



FYI a polish is what gives the paint it's gloss.

You may also like white wax. It's a great all in one (aka cleaner wax) that cleans, polishes and protects.

The 'paint' is not being waxed, it is the protective barrier of the clear coat. you are enhancing the clear coat, you cannot polish the clear coat. If you polish the clear coat you will eventually wear away the mils. The substrate (paint) is the 'key' factor of presenting a high gloss. Unless more applications of a clear coat are used to build up the mils, it is a waste of time using polish. In the same respect, 'glaze' is supposedly an enhancing agent to bring out the luster. These steps are useless and meaningless unless you are working with paint alone. All cars now have base coat, clear coat; as the manufactures are somewhat cheap on applying more than necessary. Some automakers use more than others (clear coat). The bottom line remains the 'paint' where a lot of automakers are applying a thin layer. The clear coat has been added by the auto makers for ease of use when cleaning and as a protective barrier.

In the same light, one is performing all of the steps by using polish, then glaze, then a sealer, and with a top coat of carnauba. this is simply ridiculous. I just watched the Meg's compounding video whereas the Mercedes sitting in the background (Black) appeared with a 'plastic' look, "like mop & glow". That Mercedes was wearing a sealer for sure. Do not care for that plastic shiny look. It looks like a toy. Some may have reservations as to that 'sealer' look as well. To each his own. You just can't beat carnauba for that showroom, custom look, warm tone; with luster, glowing from the amount of ingredients (namely oils) in the carnauba to enhance the finish. The properties in the wax is the formula which makes or breaks a wax. That is why we trust Meguiar's carnauba over the rest. Mother's is a good carnauba as well, but we prefer Meg's.

Just caught your last paragraph. Love the M26, and have been using that for many years. The Meguiar's Mirror Glaze 26 Professional Hi-Tech Yellow Wax. It is a task to remove but goes on easy BUT, the payoff is outstanding. This wax is very hard (on the car surface) and beads well. Actually, I'm looking at a can right in front of me. I do not use it that often for it is a lot of work. The color is warm, but I like the warm accompanied with the wet look (or gloss). That is why I have been using the Meguiars Gold Class. The Gold Glass does not seem to have a hard finish, unlike the M-26, BUT just enough (middle of the road) that I really like. Many can talk of all the brands such as Wolfgang, M21S, Collinite 476, DoDo juice, Griot's, and the rest of the scented, colored waxes. This facet of scents and colors is a gimmick and has no value in the properties of the wax. No carnauba is 100% or it would be like a candle. Many claim 100% carnauba BUT this is a falsity. Maybe 47% is the greatest amount of carnauba one can mix with the oils and bees wax. I'm not a chemist, that is why Meguiars is there.

To sum this up, carnauba remains par excellance to me, my opinion. The synthetics and sealers are for those believing that it is an end all cure to carnauba, and it shall last to .......... However, the unknown still exists, remember that and the old is better than the new. Sorry for the long post.

[Jarhead0754]

Thanks mike for the terms. And yes I did a short stint back in the late 90s.

[The Guz]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

M21 Synthetic Sealant 2.0 is a synthetic wax often referred to as a sealant. Sealants last longer than a carnauba wax.

M26 Hi Tech Yellow Wax is a carnauba based wax. It's really a great wax. It has the highest Distinction Of Image or D.O.I. A quote pulled out. Try it sometime. You can get it locally now.

Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek View Post

M26 is the only wax that will increase the D.O.I. of a previously polished surface.

The context of that statement was after using #7 Show Car Glaze on black paint, most waxes would decrease D.O.I. while M26 would actually increase D.O.I.

I asked a chemist friend about this and he said it was because M26 has/had the ability to bend light.

D.O.I. = Distinction of Image
The ability of a surface to reflect an image clearly. A mirror offers 100% D.O.I.

FYI a polish is what gives the paint it's gloss.

You may also like white wax. It's a great all in one (aka cleaner wax) that cleans, polishes and protects.

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UC = Ultimate Compound

UP = Ultimate polish

ULW = Ultimate Liquid Wax

Try what Mr. Stoops recommended and just enjoy the car and take it out for a drive on a nice day. I was thinking the same thing Bret that maybe a treatment of those would work.

I know you are a fan of Gold Class but you should consider M26 Tech Wax. That's a whole other level in my opinion.

I myself am a fan of a sealant on a white car such as M21. Or even the M21/M26 combo.

Thanks for the update on the terms. Is that the M21s wax you are speaking of. Not to disappoint you, BUT no sealers or tech wax for me; not even polish or glaze.

[The Guz]

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Thanks very much. I don't believe that a clay bar will work. Basically clay removes surface contaminates close to the surface in the clear coat. Anything embedded under the surface is difficult to remove. Dawn is a mild detergent to strip wax, "will not work". I'm unfamiliar with the terms you are referring to UC/UP and ULW.

I would appreciate it if you could clarify those terms. I see your displaying the semper fi logo. Did a brief stint in the marines back in the 70's. My nephew did a couple of tours in Iraq (Balad) in the signal corps. Came home in one piece by the grace of God. Left as a Sgt. Get back to me when you have time. Thanks.

UC = Ultimate Compound

UP = Ultimate polish

ULW = Ultimate Liquid Wax

Try what Mr. Stoops recommended and just enjoy the car and take it out for a drive on a nice day. I was thinking the same thing Bret that maybe a treatment of those would work.

I know you are a fan of Gold Class but you should consider M26 Tech Wax. That's a whole other level in my opinion.

I myself am a fan of a sealant on a white car such as M21. Or even the M21/M26 combo.

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A stupid question but have u thought about giving it a wash with some dawn and claying those areas and possibly using a little UC/UP and then using say ULW? I'm sure u tried everything and my suggestion is prob worthless, but just thought I'de throw it out there.

Thanks very much. I don't believe that a clay bar will work. Basically clay removes surface contaminates close to the surface in the clear coat. Anything embedded under the surface is difficult to remove. Dawn is a mild detergent to strip wax, "will not work". I'm unfamiliar with the terms you are referring to UC/UP and ULW.

I would appreciate it if you could clarify those terms. I see your displaying the semper fi logo. Did a brief stint in the marines back in the 70's. My nephew did a couple of tours in Iraq (Balad) in the signal corps. Came home in one piece by the grace of God. Left as a Sgt. Get back to me when you have time. Thanks.

[Jarhead0754]

A stupid question but have u thought about giving it a wash with some dawn and claying those areas and possibly using a little UC/UP and then using say ULW? I'm sure u tried everything and my suggestion is prob worthless, but just thought I'de throw it out there.

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It is understandable that no help is forthcoming on the part of this forum. I was just seeking a solvent I could use to eradicate the yellow staining, but no big deal. Seeing that your dad was an engineer at Chrysler, I would really relish his opinion on the below video which I posted to YouTube. Your opinion Michael would be appreciated as well. Hope you don't dislike me for the video, for many have viewed the video with varying opinions, mostly negative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1UZdwkXzqI

in any event, your time, and the support you have provided are most appreciated. I contacted Oates out of Pennsylvania and never heard from them. The faith is far more important than all of this triviality.

[Michael Stoops]

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Understood about the V6 versus Hemi. And it's really, really hard to bother or bore me with car related info: I grew up outside Detroit during the heyday of the American Muscle Car, with my dad being an engineer at Chrysler. Cars are sort of in my blood, so this job was a natural.

As for my notes in red, that is just part of my signature line that goes out with every single post I make. As you can imagine, with my contact info being so readily available, I sometimes get buried with emails asking questions that are readily available on the forum, and questions that often make for great discussions here. The comments are not aimed at anyone in particular, just intended to be attention grabbing and, hopefully, getting people to think about posting to the forum rather than just hitting me up directly. I hate ignoring people, but I have to make priorities someplace, and we have an entire staff in our Customer Care Center to handle that sort of thing. Alas, not everyone picks up on that as I sometimes get very large amounts of email with some rather basic questions. All in a day's work, I suppose!!

Back to your car. That this staining has been present for several months now is not really what I wanted to hear, but if the car has also been garaged most of that time then limited UV exposure isn't helping the cause, either. I wish we had a better answer than "give it time", but especially considering this has occurred with another manufacturer's product, it's really about all we can offer.

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Out of curiosity, how long ago was this wax applied and the staining showed up? You mentioned the car spending a lot of time in the garage so might we suggest a bit of the ol' killing two birds with one stone (not that we advocate animal cruelty, so don't anyone go taking that for anything but the old adage it is!! ) - drive the car on several sunny days, give it some exercise, let the sound and feel of that HEMI engine put a smile on your face while the sun's warming rays fade the yellowing away. What could be better?

Thank you very much Michael. To begin, the wax was applied about 4 to five months ago, as the car has been in the garage. Taken it out a few times. I decided to wash and wax a couple of days ago. After washing, I then noticed some spots I missed. One was on the bumper and the remainder were in the crevices (pictures in thread). Your synopsis of events relating to the excess of wax applied is certainly correct. I usually take more time in detailing but had been busy. So, the end result were some 'yellow' stains imprinted on the fiberglass edges ( pictures provided). Even though the excess wax was left for an overly long period of time, would that fact cause the staining (yellow)?

I don't mean to disappoint you but I opted for the DOHC Pentastar V-6 (Fleet motor). I did not care for the MDS associated with the Hemi (where four cylinders close when no power is needed). Chrysler had intentions on placing the MDS in the V-6, then decided against doing so. This led me to believe that the engineers found something which would be detrimental to the motor. There have been quite a few issues with the Hemi, namely the chain. Valve guides have been an issue as well. Due to these existing problems, I purchased the DOHC. This motor has good mid range torque, and gets out of the hole fairly quickly. By the way, the motor has been fabricated and designed with the use of a supercharger (in the future). Whether this comes to the floor is unknown. Chrysler, now (FCA) keeps everything close to their belt as any automaker would.

I don't mean to bother you with car details but when I write, sometimes I cannot stop. Irrespective of the above, your noted emphasis in red is the way it should be. To P.M. someone is fine when conferring about matters not relevant to the topic. I rarely use P.M. and when I do, it is usually on a cordial basis, or to speak one on one relating to an issue. If some are complaining through P.M., I believe that this approach hides the fact of the person's true intentions. We were taught to be open and outright, publicly, as Our Master has told us.

[Michael Stoops]

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Out of curiosity, how long ago was this wax applied and the staining showed up? You mentioned the car spending a lot of time in the garage so might we suggest a bit of the ol' killing two birds with one stone (not that we advocate animal cruelty, so don't anyone go taking that for anything but the old adage it is!! ) - drive the car on several sunny days, give it some exercise, let the sound and feel of that HEMI engine put a smile on your face while the sun's warming rays fade the yellowing away. What could be better?

[synoptic12]

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Forgot to mention that Autopia Car Care has a dedicated Chemical Guys area.

Joined today and was banned today (forever). There seems to be a group of kids running the show. Somewhat surprising for a .org. The consensus I received from about seven people were off track and many continued with remarks that were comedic in nature. I never expected that type of reaction from a car forum. However, I was banned for posting too many negative comments, 'If you can believe that'. Well, things always happen for the best, so I believe that what people brandish against others shall return to them in multiple ways.

Michael did respond and very professional. I do not know him personally but the framework of the content Michael posted is good enough for me. There will not be any other who could present or clarify the situation more so. To me, this is the word of a person I can trust. Thank you very much for the support you have provided as well (The Guz). We remember everyone as each have to give account to Our Master at the end of days.

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Thank you very much Michael. I certainly appreciate the in depth analysis you have documented. In fact, you are correct as to the wax being applied more heavily in the crevices. As I noticed this, after one or two months, I attempted to remove the excess with a toothpick. However, the above layer of wax which was crusted was removed but the yellow stains were left. Apparently, I should have been more careful in these areas (crevices). The fact is, I've been using Meguiar's forever and have never encountered any issues with the properties of Megs.

The fact is, the vehicle is rarely driven and garaged all of the time; hardly ever seeing any sun. Whether this action would suffice as recommended by you is unknown at this point. I have not heard of this aspect on the sun removing these 'yellow' stains, then again I do not know everything. As I have mentioned Michael, this is a trivial matter, meaningless and worldly. At this point, I'll just leave the staining there. To be honest, one must use a magnifier or look very closely at the staining. Again Michael, I am thankful that you have taken the time to provide an honest response and have given direction to the end result.