"Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

[Michael Stoops]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

Before we delve into this issue, we want to remind everyone here that we have a very strict rule against bashing, whether that be bashing of a person, product or company. There is right way and a wrong way to voice an opinion or even frustration over an experience and, quite frankly, as strong as synoptic12's comments are regarding this current issue, he is not guilty of bashing. He has a legit complaint with images to document it.

Now, as for the issue at hand. We have, in the past, seen some issues (rare that they are) of certain waxes staining white paint with a very light yellow tinge. For some bizarre reason, it only seems to be an issue on urethane bumper covers, and all we can surmise is that certain chemicals in certain waxes (again, this is very rare) somehow interacts with the chemical flex agents in the paints used on these flexible bumper covers. To be very candid, this is merely an educated guess. The issue does not occur on the painted metal panels, only on the panels that utilize a flex agent in the paint. Remember, these bumper covers are painted by the supplying vendor of the parts. They are not painted with the rest of the "body in white" at the main factory/assembly plant. Since that is really the only difference between the paint on the bumpers and the paint on the rest of the car, it almost has to be the reason. Otherwise, the product would stain the entire vehicle and not just the urethane bumpers, and that is just not something we ever see.

Come to think of it, we have also seen this issue (again, on rare occasions) on white gel coat boats. No flex agent there, and we're also talking a gel coat on true fiberglass and not paint over urethane so any "chemical interaction" would be different. Nonetheless, we have seen it on white gel coat and it does indeed fade away after a couple weeks of exposure to the sun.

That said, it is a bit strange that the only staining seen on synoptic12's Challenger is right in the crevices. Could it be that the product was applied heavier here and therefore had a greater potential for whatever chemical in the product to leech into the porous upper reaches of the paint and interact, ultimately creating this staining? Again, just a bit of an educated guess here, but since those areas tend to pull a heavier load of wax off the applicator pad, it at least makes sense that there might have been a heavier application there. Exactly why it has happened is not totally clear, and we certainly do not have access to the formulation of the particular product used since it's not one of ours.

But there is some good news, which we're sure synoptic12 would like to hear right about now!! Every single time we've seen this sort thing happen, it fades after a couple of weeks of sun exposure. While we can certainly appreciate that anyone would rather have an immediate fix for the situation (personally, I would be beyond ticked off, but my personal tendencies don't come into play here, so I'll move along!), our strong recommendation is to give it a couple of weeks to see if it naturally fades. We fully expect it to, and since you're in Naples, FL, you still get a good dose of sunshine this time of year, synoptic12. If the yellow does not go away after a couple weeks of exposure, then you might want to pursue other options with the manufacturer of the product.

We certainly feel your pain, but give it a couple of weeks before you take any other action. But please report back to us here on MOL, regardless if the staining fades or not. Again, we fully expect it to fade naturally in a few weeks time.

[synoptic12]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

I honestly have not used a natural wax in a few years, I've come to the conclusion that for my vehicles and the type that I do for others, a natural wax isn't a good choice now that we have synthetics that closely rival the depth of shine that used to only be provided by natural products. My go to synthetic is Four Star Ultimate Paint Protection and it seriously outlasts anything natural while giving a look very similar to that of carnauba. I'd attributes recommend that you give it or the Meguiars Ultimate liquid a try.

I've always used carnauba and Meguiar's at that. I am well aware of the synthetic products. Tried the Turtle Wax Ice some years back and was not impressed with the look. It provided a hard finish, and very durable coating but carnauba is the foundation of excellence (my opinion). Meguiar's Gold Glass is an excellent carnauba and am impressed with the shine, and as to how it is applied and removed. To me, the Gold Class Meguiar's is the finest carnauba wax. I am familiar with all the brands; synthetic and carnauba. However, I'm staying with Meguiar's forever: "No more enticing product brands".

When you initially made mention on using CG and I saw your yellow Camaro, I believed that the staining would be difficult to detect with that color, or maybe any darker color. Nice wheels by the way. Actually I've never heard of the Four Star, or maybe the sealer eludes me. One of my friends applies some type of sealant over the entire vehicle at his business. He's been trying to apply that to my vehicle. No charge, but there is no way I will use any sealer, such as Zaino, or any other. I'm old school, maybe ancient school. In a sense, sometimes the old is better than the new.

* You just can't beat carnauba, and Meguiar's at that. Thank you for the support and assistance. Trying to find a product that can remove the 'yellow' staining. In reality, this is a trivial matter, and meaningless. However, I like to keep my cars flawless. Thank you again.

[larry0071]

I honestly have not used a natural wax in a few years, I've come to the conclusion that for my vehicles and the type that I do for others, a natural wax isn't a good choice now that we have synthetics that closely rival the depth of shine that used to only be provided by natural products. My go to synthetic is Four Star Ultimate Paint Protection and it seriously outlasts anything natural while giving a look very similar to that of carnauba. I'd attributes recommend that you give it or the Meguiars Ultimate liquid a try.

[synoptic12]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

This video is not relevant to the topic but felt some may be interested in viewing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKZY8phXG0Y

[synoptic12]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

It does not hurt to spread the word there as well. Giving heads up to others is indeed helpful.



I'm pretty sure it's correctable. But I will let Michael Stoops chime in with his detail knowledge.

Thank you very much.

[The Guz]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

What are you implying?

It does not hurt to spread the word there as well. Giving heads up to others is indeed helpful.

Thank you very much for the assistance and forgive me of my rudeness. It is somewhat irritating to spend 31K and have this happen. Thanks.

I'm pretty sure it's correctable. But I will let Michael Stoops chime in with his detail knowledge.

[synoptic12]

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[synoptic12]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

Hopefully Michael Stoops chimes in with some more information that will help you.

Thank you very much for the assistance and forgive me of my rudeness. It is somewhat irritating to spend 31K and have this happen. Thanks.

[synoptic12]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

I would love to see pictures up closer of this area. I commonly use both meguiars and CG and have not any negative views of CG, nor of Meguiars.

I see you have a 'yellow' car, "same color of Chemical Guys, "yellow".

[synoptic12]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

Well, I am unfamiliar with the person you mentioned, But any assistance is appreciated. Contacted Oates out of Pennsylvania.

[synoptic12]

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Forgot to mention that Autopia Car Care has a dedicated Chemical Guys area.

What are you implying?

[The Guz]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

Forgot to mention that Autopia Car Care has a dedicated Chemical Guys area.

[The Guz]

Re: "Yellow Stain in Crevices" IN Fiberglass- Chemical Guys XXX Hard Core Wax

Hopefully Michael Stoops chimes in with some more information that will help you.

[synoptic12]

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[synoptic12]

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