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    I think Joe of Superior Shine says it best in his line, "I am the paint whisperer."

    There are so many ways of expressing what it takes to take car paint with fine scratches, swirls, holograms or other fine marks and potentially make it rival showroom quality even before even applying a final coat of wax or sealant on it.

    The term "polish" is the word a customer might best relate to the idea of smoothing out defects and making the paint shiny, like you polish your silverware, but it isn't something you associate with near perfection of the paint. I think if you used that word people would picture something like the old Turtle Wax cleaner waxes.

    And of course, the customer would be confused if we told them we would apply a coat of polish in the sense that we use the word, to mean something like M07.

    If we used the 5-stage terminology and said we would "wash and prep" and "clean" the paint, then wax it, well they would picture a clean car with wax on it.

    So if we said we would buff the paint, they would probably picture applying wax and removing it with an orbital buffer, because that is the buffer they are probably familiar with in terms of caring for a car's paint.

    Then if we said we would use a compound, well they don't know what that is.

    If we say we will remove the swirls, many of them don't know what those are either. Scratches are the only thing they can undoubtedly relate to, but unfortunately, there are some scratches we can remove and some we can't.

    If we started throwing in words like dual action polisher or high-speed rotary polisher, well you get the idea. The term paint correction might get close to the mark, but they might not really envision what this would mean in their case, assuming their cosmetic problems weren't obvious.

    Then there is also the approach, give me $300 and let me surprise you. Which if you could get them to agree to that, you undoubtedly would make them happy, but how are they going to know that beforehand?

    It is one of those things where a picture is worth a thousand words. That is what brought me, an owner of a 13-year-old white car whose paint does not look "that bad" into a member of this forum: Meguiar's Youtube videos, and demonstrations of what Ultimate Compound would do, with side-by-side before and after shots.

    I kind of like the word "paint rejuvenation." I have brought that up on this forum before. The term rejuvenation means returning to a younger or newer state but doesn't necessarily guarantee perfection. It is used a lot in the cosmetic world and the world of plastic surgery and anti-aging chemicals like Botox or collagen injections, dermabrasions, laser treatments or chemical peels.

    And this is kind of what we do to paint when we do that "thing" between washing and waxing. We're performing plastic surgery, giving it a nice microdermabrasion to reveal its younger self, the difference being that we can normally come a lot closer to perfection than a plastic surgeon can.

    The communication is important when you are trying to market to potential customers who might want your service if they knew what it was. If they are seeking you out and find you because they googled "detailing" and the name of your city, there is a good chance they already know what detailing might do. In the Kansas City area, I think you can pretty much count on the fact that most people don't know what detailing is, and of the few that do, most don't know that a professional detailer might be able to remove the imperfections in their paint.

    So I am thinking of using the term "Paint rejuvenation and detailing." To some people, that may seem redundant. To people who don't know what detailing is, maybe it would perk their interest to where they would look at the brochure and not just throw it right in the trash.

    Sometimes I think it would be easier to live where there were 100s of detailers to compete with than where the competition consists of mainly the "automatic wash and detailing" establishments.

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    Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

    I describe what I do as Automotive Paint Polishing and Defect Removal. There's really no better way to communicate the difference than to give a potential client a live demonstration. That's what hooked me a year and a half ago.

    Check out Todd's (th0001) awesome thread and graphic from Truth in Detailing: Removing Paint Defects

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    • #3
      Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

      How about showing them a picture? Seems to me it would make sense to have a portfolio of common requests. You always see this done for chip repair. The before and after photo says it all.

      I'll read your post in more detail later, hopefully my response is inline.

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      • #4
        Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

        We use words like Paint Correction, Rejuvenation, Deep Cleaning, etc to describe the compounding and polishing phases. We also have a portfolio in construction, I'll post a picture as soon as I finish it lol, could be a while.

        My goal for this summer is to create a few promotional videos for our company and have them on our website. I'm addicted to the detailing AND the marketing!
        www.idetailautopros.com
        iDetail Professional Automotive Detailing

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        • #5
          Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

          Or an actual worked on piece of metal, like a motorcycle tank, or fender, or something. Like half old, half detailed.
          2017 Subaru WRX Premium - WR Blue

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          • #6
            Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

            I talk to the potential customer. If he/she is not sure what route to take. Do a test spot. People are amazed at how good their paint can look.

            Also that is why you have various packages.
            quality creates its own demand

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            • #7
              Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

              Originally posted by ClearlyCoated View Post
              I describe what I do as Automotive Paint Polishing and Defect Removal. There's really no better way to communicate the difference than to give a potential client a live demonstration. That's what hooked me a year and a half ago.

              Check out Todd's (th0001) awesome thread and graphic from Truth in Detailing: Removing Paint Defects
              CC, I like your description, and thank you for that link. Those diagrams he has are excellent, and his descriptions were as well. I think something like that could be written more for the "lay person" as it were, to explain that process to potential customers through either marketing literature or a web page. I like the side-by-side picture he shows of the blue paint before and after the defect removal.

              Originally posted by Bandit Bill View Post
              How about showing them a picture? Seems to me it would make sense to have a portfolio of common requests. You always see this done for chip repair. The before and after photo says it all.

              I'll read your post in more detail later, hopefully my response is inline.
              I agree, I think photography and side-by-side before and after shots, as well as the kind of diagram in the above-reference by th0001 are the kind of things you want to put in the hands of potential customers. If you can give them a live demonstration, that could be even better.

              Originally posted by Cole Ziegler View Post
              We use words like Paint Correction, Rejuvenation, Deep Cleaning, etc to describe the compounding and polishing phases. We also have a portfolio in construction, I'll post a picture as soon as I finish it lol, could be a while.

              My goal for this summer is to create a few promotional videos for our company and have them on our website. I'm addicted to the detailing AND the marketing!
              I definitely want to build a portfolio for my web site before I even "hang up my shingle" as it were. I want a simple before/after format since I think those are the most effective. If it is just a shiny finished product, you don't know what it looked like to start.

              I'm glad you like the marketing! I find it a bit frustrating, and yet my goal initially will be only to take up to 1 car per week on the weekend while I keep my regular job.

              Right now, I'm mainly looking ahead because I still am still in the learning stage.

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              • #8
                Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

                Originally posted by Murr1525 View Post
                Or an actual worked on piece of metal, like a motorcycle tank, or fender, or something. Like half old, half detailed.
                That sounds like a great idea if you were going door to door, or if you met them in person for an estimate at your place or theirs.

                Originally posted by J. A. Michaels View Post
                I talk to the potential customer. If he/she is not sure what route to take. Do a test spot. People are amazed at how good their paint can look.

                Also that is why you have various packages.
                I guess if you are working in your garage or your own site, having a junk hood to do a test spot for them right in front of them would also impress them.

                I think that is important, have various packages and some include paint correction and some include maybe just a cleaner wax or even no correction at all. There are detailers, at least in Kansas City, who simply don't include any kind of paint correction in their service. So if your service looks expensive to a customer and they aren't sure what they want, and if they are shopping price, you can at least offer an apples-to-apples kind of comparison service to people who don't correct the paint.

                I found a detailing correspondence course on line. It did look rather comprehensive for what it did cover, and it was not that expensive, but use of any kind of machinery on the paint was not a part of the course.

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                • #9
                  Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

                  Communication is key, but it is so much more than the words being used. Whether you call it polishing, buffing, defect correction, paint rejuvenation or anything else, you need to be able to explain what's really going on.

                  We strive to do this in our Detailing 101 classes, giving attendees a clear idea of just what it is they're trying to evaluate when looking at a car. Knowing how to identify a defect is essential if you're going to remove it, but perhaps just as important for the customer to understand so he knows that you're doing more, much more, than simply washing and waxing the car.

                  I once met a Ferrari owner who had just paid $300 to have his 360 Modena "detailed" and I swear the "detailer" did nothing more than wash & wax and charge a huge premium because it was Ferrari. I was able to explain to the owner just what was going on with his paint, even comparing his car side by side with another 360 that was in far better shape than his - more gloss, clearer reflections, and less swirls. Less as in maybe only 10% the number of swirls. Yeah, his car was bad. He finally saw the difference and understood what was going on. He could finally see what he was looking at.

                  He became noticeably agitated at the thought of getting ripped off by the "other guy" but also excited at the prospect of having his car look as good as the one next to it. Until he was told that I found even the much nicer condition of the other car to be totally unacceptable. After he picked his jaw up off the pavement he slowly turned to me and said "Fix it, just do it".

                  People who haven't been exposed to the detailing process have no clue what it really takes. Explaining it to them, making them understand and see the difference is up to you. Whatever you want to call it is up to you - but you have to define the term.
                  Michael Stoops
                  Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                  Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

                    Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
                    People who haven't been exposed to the detailing process have no clue what it really takes. Explaining it to them, making them understand and see the difference is up to you. Whatever you want to call it is up to you - but you have to define the term.
                    Michael, I hear what you are saying, and that is kind of the problem I am going to face, because the people I will be marketing to for the most part probably have never even heard the term "detailing" as it relates to cars. So the question is, how do I get them from that state to where they are even talking to me to begin with?

                    People understand the terms washing and waxing. They understand changing oil. They understand replacing a cracked windshield. They understand rotating tires. They understand repairing collision damage. They understand getting a new paint job. If you offered any of those services, all you would have to do is convince a potential customer that you are the person they should choose to do the work.

                    So in addition to the challenge of maybe having to point out to somebody that they have a problem that they didn't even know existed, or better said, that you can offer them something that they never before would have thought possible, you don't have a standardized way of communicating the name of the process used to (insert your name of choice here). One person knocking on doors to offer to correct paint might call it "detailing the car," one might call it "correcting the paint," another might call it "buffing the paint," and on and on and on. It just isn't feasible to educate every potential customer on the details of the process that is involved to correct or improve paint, even though you individually have to educate them on how that process might apply to their particular situation. You will only have a limited time where someone is going to listen to you do a sales pitch.

                    My suggestion: Professional detailers come to an agreement as to a name to use to refer to "that process of which I speak."

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                    • #11
                      Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

                      Michael, one other point I should add, this standardization of terms would help Meguiar's sell their consumer paint correcting products as well, especially SwirlX and Ultimate Compound. A customer who doesn't know what swirls are won't automatically reach for a product called SwirlX. And someone who has no idea of what a compound is won't automatically reach for a product called Ultimate Compound. One does swirl removal, one does compounding. We know what those are, your random do-it-yourself car care person may not. If there were a name that people were familiar with to associate with swirl removal and compounding, well these products would be easier to sell, maybe even under different names.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

                        Hate to say it, but you will never get the detailing world at large to agree to a specific set of terms for anything. Ever.

                        It is often said that "Meguiar's uses weird definitions for things, with polish being a perfect example". Well, truth be told, we've been using the terms and definitions for them since before most of our competition's founders were born. We've been consistent with this since 1901.

                        We've seen people come onto detailing forums and tell us we're all wrong in what we refer to as "swirls". Since the word "swirl" seems to indicate something with a flowing motion, the only true "swirls" are the marks left by a rotary buffer. Those marks that appear to float or "swirl" around in the paint. What is commonly referred to as "holograms" to most detailers, but no, to this individual these were "swirls". He much preferred the term "cobwebs" to describe the random towel marks that appear in a circular or "cobweb" pattern when viewed with a strong point of light.

                        Well, maybe he had a point, but the detailing world at large seems to understand what we all mean when we talk about swirls, cobwebs, spider marks, towel marks, holograms, etc. Heck, some of it is even regional - our call center gets this all the time. You know, sort of like the words "soda", "pop", and "coke" are all the same thing depending on what part of the country you're in.

                        Yes, it would make life easier if we all defined terms the same way, but you'd still need to educate those who don't understand the detailing language. Honestly, we've seen car owners at shows who wouldn't know a swirl (cobweb, spider mark, towel mark, hologram) if it jumped up and bit 'em on the nose.
                        Michael Stoops
                        Senior Global Product & Training Specialist | Meguiar's Inc.

                        Remember, this hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need therapy.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

                          This is a good thread, Mary. I've had these thoughts, too, looking to start offering my services to a wider base. I've come onto a few key terms that I use regularly:
                          • Hand-Wash, Bug/Grime Removal
                          • Thorough paint cleaning (clay)
                          • Paint rejuvenation by polishing
                          • Paint protection (sealant/wax)
                          I put rejuvenation in bold because I got it from your post. I think that is a good word to use. The rejuvenation step in our terms would include polishing with machine using 205 or 151, ColorX maybe?, Cleaner Wax maybe? I think an important learning step for customers is to realize what WAX is, and to note the difference between polishing and waxing. I think that is just one of the ways that a dedicated detailer like most of us can stand out from high-volume, express detailing. "This isn't your father's tub of wax!" I try to use the word sealant instead of wax, and use the verb protect instead of make shine or whatever the average bear might think that "wax" does.

                          Scatterbrained...but thought I'd add.
                          Mark

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                          • #14
                            Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

                            Originally posted by Michael Stoops View Post
                            Hate to say it, but you will never get the detailing world at large to agree to a specific set of terms for anything. Ever.

                            It is often said that "Meguiar's uses weird definitions for things, with polish being a perfect example". Well, truth be told, we've been using the terms and definitions for them since before most of our competition's founders were born. We've been consistent with this since 1901.

                            We've seen people come onto detailing forums and tell us we're all wrong in what we refer to as "swirls". Since the word "swirl" seems to indicate something with a flowing motion, the only true "swirls" are the marks left by a rotary buffer. Those marks that appear to float or "swirl" around in the paint. What is commonly referred to as "holograms" to most detailers, but no, to this individual these were "swirls". He much preferred the term "cobwebs" to describe the random towel marks that appear in a circular or "cobweb" pattern when viewed with a strong point of light.

                            Well, maybe he had a point, but the detailing world at large seems to understand what we all mean when we talk about swirls, cobwebs, spider marks, towel marks, holograms, etc. Heck, some of it is even regional - our call center gets this all the time. You know, sort of like the words "soda", "pop", and "coke" are all the same thing depending on what part of the country you're in.

                            Yes, it would make life easier if we all defined terms the same way, but you'd still need to educate those who don't understand the detailing language. Honestly, we've seen car owners at shows who wouldn't know a swirl (cobweb, spider mark, towel mark, hologram) if it jumped up and bit 'em on the nose.
                            Michael, I don't have any issue with words that are common between detailers, like cobwebs, swirls, holograms, and so forth. When detailers are communicating with eachother, they can afford to have a bit of difference in terminology.

                            With Meguiars, it is the names in the 5-step paint care cycle that bother me. The process I am talking about is what Meguiars calls "cleaning."

                            I think this term may have come from 1901 when you started selling furniture products. There were products which strictly polished, and there were products which cleaned and polished. But when it comes to furniture, the cleaner/polishers actually did clean surface dirt as well as put down a polish to make the wood shine.

                            When you use that same product on car paint, the cleaners have the effect not of removing surface dirt but leveling the clear coat to eliminate light defects.

                            So something like #80 will do one thing to furniture, another thing on a car. And that is where I think the confusion comes forth when you are communicating to a community that is non-detailing-aware.

                            Perhaps being in Southern California, you are used to the percentage of the people there who are aware of detailing.

                            If I made calls to people saying we were going to have a truck in your neighborhood cleaning the paint on your neighbor's car on Tuesday and would you like us to come by and do yours, well not only would they not know what I was talking about, but they would probably think I was talking about washing the cars.

                            So if you could just come up with another word for that 1 step, I could live with swirl versus hologram disparity in language.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Telling potential customers what we do to paint

                              Originally posted by wwcleancars View Post
                              This is a good thread, Mary. I've had these thoughts, too, looking to start offering my services to a wider base. I've come onto a few key terms that I use regularly:
                              • Hand-Wash, Bug/Grime Removal
                              • Thorough paint cleaning (clay)
                              • Paint rejuvenation by polishing
                              • Paint protection (sealant/wax)
                              I put rejuvenation in bold because I got it from your post. I think that is a good word to use. The rejuvenation step in our terms would include polishing with machine using 205 or 151, ColorX maybe?, Cleaner Wax maybe? I think an important learning step for customers is to realize what WAX is, and to note the difference between polishing and waxing. I think that is just one of the ways that a dedicated detailer like most of us can stand out from high-volume, express detailing. "This isn't your father's tub of wax!" I try to use the word sealant instead of wax, and use the verb protect instead of make shine or whatever the average bear might think that "wax" does.

                              Scatterbrained...but thought I'd add.
                              Not scatterbrained at all! I think we are on the same page. I like the steps like you listed them

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